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NBD and the Squier argument

View attachment 642644 Yesterday I picked up a Fender Modern Player Jaguar bass for $230, and it's blowing me away. I always played Squier prior to this, and thought that they were the same, but WOW!!! this thing is on a whole new level. It's amazing how much better it feels and sounds, I'm in love. I don't think I can go back...

Interesting. That bridge looks like the Squier Classic Vibe 60s high mass bridge. Only Fender style high mass I know of with brass saddles that aren't chrome plated. The saddles that is...

But, a quick browse to the Fender website, and sure as greasy green snot, there it is! I wonder if Squier is using a Fender component, or the other way around, because that looks to be exactly the same bridge on the CV 60s Squiers...
 
I bought one of those Chinese made Fender Modern Player Telecaster guitars a few months ago and it is pretty nice. Humbucker, single and tele pickups all sound pretty great, the neck is beautiful and feels awesome. All three of the guitarists in my band love it too and they're all LP players.
 
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Brand new affinities have crazy good necks on them

I have to preface this by saying I am a big fan of El Cheapo basses, incuding Squier stuff. I have played and owned many Squier guitars and basses and have been impressed with most I've played; happy with what I've owned.

Pretty much all of the VM and CV Squier series I have played have been close to perfect completely stock. I find the consistency and level of QC, particularly with the CV series, to be top notch. To be clear, I have not owned a Squier VM or CV but I have played many all over the country and haven't come across one yet that I wasn't impressed by.

I have also played some very nice Affinitys, as well as the "Squier Standard" series when they were still around.

Also, for the record, early on when Squier production first started I had some 1982-83 MIJ Squiers including a Telecaster and two different P basses, that were really amazing instruments. I contend that the early 80s MIJ Squiers were, generally, nicer instruments overall than what Fender USA was churning out during that same time period.

No I am NOT trying to start a "Squiers are all just as good or better than USA Fenders or (insert brand name here)" argument.

A few months back I was bass shopping and I tried many Squiers in many different shops. I played a CV Classic 50s SC P bass that was very hard not to buy, as well as a Squier Cabronita for $179 (at the time) that was also hard to walk away from. They were both very nice, as were most of the other Squiers I played (I ended up buying an MIM P bass, incidentally, but not because I thought it "better" than the Squiers--I was just specifically looking for a regular ol' P bass with a rosewood fingerboard.)

While shopping, I played a couple of the new Squier Affinity models with the P/J configuration. I only played two examples, one CAR and one Oly White, both in the same shop, but it was where I could see a lack of consistency in QC.

The basses seemed fine overall--sounded decent, balanced well, nice and light but still seemed solidly made...a good platform for mods if one wanted to upgrade some hardware and electronics--but both had The Worst Case of Sharp, Overhanging Fret Ends I have ever encountered in my life. I wish I had inspected the neck more thoroughly before I started playing, because it was literally like dragging your hand rough against a cheese grater. It was actually painful. This sounds hyperbolic, but I honestly thought I had carved up my hand enough to draw blood.

So in the big scheme of things, filing down frets is cheap and easy, and I'd re-state that over the decades by far the majority of Squier instruments I've played/owned have run the gamut from serviceable and decent to really extremely nice. But these two brand new Affinitys never should have left the factory, at least not without first addressing the fret end problems they both had.

Just to wrap up, this past weekend I was shopping for a bass amp and I tried a few at some nearby pawn shops. Just so happened that the basses I grabbed to try out the amps were all older affinity P basses the shops had laying around. One of them was perhaps the lightest P bass I ever picked up...neck needed adjustment and the pots were scratchy, but it played and sounded very sweet.

One of the other shops I found an amp I wanted to try out and way back in a dusty corner, nearly covered over by guitars and other gear, nearly invisible, was another Squier P bass...they only had three basses at this shop and I went to the trouble to grab the Affinity P because I primarily play Precisions.

Well, I fell in love. I plan on going back to that pawn shop this week and cut a deal to put both the amp AND this Squier Affinity P in layaway. I already have a new wiring harness w/ jack, chrome Fender knobs and an SD 1/4LB P pickup I was going to use for a different project, but that Affinity is calling to me.

Maybe I'm overly sentimental and sensitive, but seeing that cheap old blue P bass made me feel like I do when I see a small animal that needs help. I want to take it home and feed it. Make a few changes to it to make it a real player.

I have been at this a long time and I am well aware that a used pawn shop Squier Affinity, regardless of what mods/upgrades you do to it, will never be anything other than an upgraded Squier Affinity you found beat up in a pawn shop. I don't care about resale value--I care about what fun I can have with it after I give it a little help.
 
I've had bad squiers and good ones. Just like any bass... quality,tone, etc changes from bass to bass... Like Squiers, Modern Players quality can change from instrument to instrument. Best of luck.

Yes, there are variances between ANY mass-produced instrument (or any other item, for that matter.)

You might find somewhat more stringent QC controls on the goods offered by certain brands that sell for higher dollar, but that doesn't mean you can't take, say, two brand new MIA Fender basses--identical models that rolled off the factory line with sequential serial numbers--and like one of them a great deal and find the other lacking in something or underwhelming to you.

I've played numerous examples of mid-to-late 70s and early 80s Fender guitars and basses. In my experience with that time period you have about a 50/50 chance of getting one that is stellar or one that is only good for a boat anchor.
 
My Fender MP Satin Jazz V is amazing! I bought it because I was just looking for a beater five string to kick around...got it at a nice price since Fender has strangely decided to discontinue this series. The fit and finish is remarkable, the play-ability right out of the box was very, very nice. I did drop a preamp into it which makes it quite a formidable piece of equipment! Plus, look at the lovely flame on the headstock enhanced by the nice vintage tint.

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My Fender MP Satin Jazz V is amazing! I bought it because I was just looking for a beater five string to kick around...got it at a nice price since Fender has strangely decided to discontinue this series. The fit and finish is remarkable, the play-ability right out of the box was very, very nice. I did drop a preamp into it which makes it quite a formidable piece of equipment! Plus, look at the lovely flame on the headstock enhanced by the nice vintage tint.

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Really, really dig that, I've never heard of that model. Reminds me of a more subdued looking Roscoe Beck..
 
View attachment 642644 Yesterday I picked up a Fender Modern Player Jaguar bass for $230, and it's blowing me away. I always played Squier prior to this, and thought that they were the same, but WOW!!! this thing is on a whole new level. It's amazing how much better it feels and sounds, I'm in love. I don't think I can go back...
Oh oh, chalk up another one! Welcome, my friend, to the Dark Side! :)
 
The CVs feel really consistand and good quality but I think the VM line feels and sound like cheapos, which are exactly what they are after all :p Nice jaguar bass btw
This is ultimately why I haven't gotten a Jaguar V from the Vintage Modified line. I just feel like most of the Vintage Modified basses I've tried didn't really stand up as well as I thought they would regardless of it being a four or fiver :meh:
 
I had bought a brand new MIM standard Jazz from a local shop. I have flip flopped on what I like, and don't, until it's just ridiculous. Now that I think I've finally nailed down that I'm pretty much a J guy, I believe I've nailed which Js work best for me. The Fender MIMs always leave me underwhelmed, ultimately . The build quality is very good, but the sound and feel , I just never really bond with. Really, same goes with most MIA Fenders for me, except for some AVRI models.
I am now playing an Inca Silver Squier CV 60s Jazz. The shop owner graciously let me return the MIM for full credit, although I had owned it a few weeks. The sound and feel of the CV is smooth as silk, and the build quality is flawless. I also have a sunburst VM Jazz, and it's almost as impressive...a little hotter, and more modern, and feels ,maybe slightly, a tad "cheaper".... but still a great instrument. I can't see going back, and spending more money on a Fender branded product, that doesn't work for me as well as these "cheap" Squiers.
 
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I had bought a brand new MIM standard Jazz from a local shop. I have flip flopped on what I like, and don't, until it's just ridiculous. Now that I think I've finally nailed down that I'm pretty much a J guy, I believe I've nailed which Js work best for me. The Fender MIMs always leave me underwhelmed, ultimately . The build quality is very good, but the sound and feel , I just never really bond with. Really, same goes with most MIA Fenders for me, except for some AVRI models.
I am now playing an Inca Silver Squier CV 60s Jazz. The shop owner graciously let me return the MIM for full credit, although I had owned it a few weeks. The sound and feel of the CV is smooth as silk, and the build quality is flawless. I also have a sunburst VM Jazz, and it's almost as impressive...a little hotter, and more modern, and feels ,maybe slightly, a tad "cheaper".... but still a great instrument. I can't see going back, and spending more money on a Fender branded product, that doesn't work for me as well as these "cheap" Squiers.

I have owned two MIM Telecaster guitars--I believe a 1999 and a 2003, and I recently owned a 1994 MIM P bass. All three of these were fine instruments, but I have to say, over years of trying out MIMs, and then trying out as many Squier CV models as I could since they came on the market, I find the CVs--in general--feel better to me and have had more consistent QC than the MIMs.

Of course, MIMs have been aorund longer and been through many changes. I feel like when you find a good MIM, it can be a wonderful instrument. But I've played a lot of MIMs I was very "meh" about.

EVERY Squier CV I have ever played has been killer.

Who cares what name is on the headstock?

Some people look down on anything that says Squier. I was around when Squier started up and in the very early 80s I owned some MIJ Squiers, guitars and basses both, and all excellent. The typical feeling amongst seasoned players at the time, from what I heard and gathered, ran the gamut from "Ah, they are just Japanese hunks of junk!" to "There's GOT to be something wrong with them--they seem to be really well made, but they are cheap low-level Fenders...how COULD they be as good as they seem to be?"

Obviously Squier-branded instruments have been through a lot of significant changes. I think the quality of them in the late 80s and most of the 90s was iffy (although there are obviously great examples of Squiers from that era.) But at least over the past 10 years or so, they have seriously stepped up their game. The CVs and (IMO, to a slightly lesser extent) the VMs are great guitars and basses.

And you know how those "crappy Japanese copies" made in the 70s and 80s--Tokais, Grecos and the SQ and other MIJ Squiers have crept up in value/price?

I fully believe the same thing will happen with the Squier CVs. I think 10-20 years down the road they will have held their value and maybe even appreciated a bit. I think people will look back and wonder at how really good they were/are.

Maybe we'll get lucky and Squiers will only continue to get better and come with more options, but stay at a good price level, and be around for decades more.
 
I have to preface this by saying I am a big fan of El Cheapo basses, incuding Squier stuff. I have played and owned many Squier guitars and basses and have been impressed with most I've played; happy with what I've owned.

I have been at this a long time and I am well aware that a used pawn shop Squier Affinity, regardless of what mods/upgrades you do to it, will never be anything other than an upgraded Squier Affinity you found beat up in a pawn shop. I don't care about resale value--I care about what fun I can have with it after I give it a little help.

I am a sucker for a Squier in need as well. Just picked one up today and that's why i'm surfing these threads.
 
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