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NBD (Fauxdera content)

Eventually a singlecut design was going to be available at this price point. My only issue with it is the poorly ripped off logo. Other than that it doesn't look like a Fodera. I can see someone completely unaware of Fodera taking a cursory glance at the two and thinking they might be similar. My guess is a person like that is way down the list of potential customers for Fodera.

As far as cheating the brand out of sales, I don't see that happening. There have been a lot of singlecuts built since Vinny pioneered the design, of varying quality and prices and I haven't noticed a hit on Fodera's pricing or the demand by actual potential buyers. I remember complaining about one high quality copy early on only because I thought it lacked originality. Now I own one and not because it looks like a Fodera. Around the same time, another new builder came up and there were cries about them building copies that I'd think most would now say would hardly be confused for a Fodera. The newness has worn off the fundamental design and as such the shock value for many has too.

So now that I've seen some pics of this bass, unless they really step up making it look like an actual Fodera, it doesn't appear to be a copy to me. That would be akin to Superman being upset at a kid with a blue t-shirt buying some red felt to make a big "S" for his chest.

Then again... I still have a problem with the companies that are clearly making blatant Higher quality copies, right down to the logos, with the intent of doing a serious knock-off to deceive buyers. And if this is a step towards this brand heading down that road...

Why buy a Fodera when I can use the same money to buy dozens of Fauxderas? :p
 
Firearms posts in Basses....really guys? Deleting (too many to edit) posts, not infracting...but this forum is called Basses for a reason. Don't get into that stuff here.
 
This has been an ongoing battle for a long time. I can remember in the 1970s that Ibanez first made inroads in the US with knockoffs of Gibson Thunderbirds, flying Vs, etc. Eventually they developed their own lines, but Gibson and Fender did keep a tight control on use of their designs, hence the "lawsuit" Ibanez and Fernandez basses. Even the much lauded SX Fender knock offs had to (or chose to ) change their headstock design so they weren't so much like the real deal.

I get the point you're making here, but the Ibanez comparisson isn't applicable in this instance. Those instruments WERE a serious threat to the ones they copied.

I owned quite a few of them, and I gotta tell you, they didn't just cop the look. They were essentially reverse engineered, blueprinted replicas...at 1/3 the price of the originals.

And yeah, you bet I heard all kinds of flak from bandmates, "Why you playing that MIJ piece of $h!t?" Till I told them to put their prejudices aside & PLAY the thing. Most of them came away as floored as I was originally.

Fender realized they couldn't compete and the first authorized off-shore Fenders were built by the company that had copied them so well just a few years earlier.

I don't think the bass in question represents the same kind of threat to Fodera that the "lawsuit" guitars were to Gibson/Fender.

But yes, you're right, the "copy/knock-off" issue has been around for a loooooong time. Probably not going away anytime soon either...
 
Weird how this is getting a lot of ire but Rickenbacker clones are generally well accepted here. RIC enjoys as much legal protection as Fodera in terms of IP, if not more, so it's no less illegal.

Fraud is fraud. Rickenfakers are BS imho as are these Fauxderas. People who buy fakes are perpetuating thievery. I'm sure that some years back people looked at fake Rolexes and said, "obvious fake, can't hurt the brand." Today you can find ones that are almost indistinguishable sold for low and high prices. So at this point any used Rolex is suspect. Bad for the brand, bad for owners and buyers.

I have no problem with some builder knocking off the shape or general design. But the logo is my personal line in the sand - at that point it is only there to fool some of the people some of the time. And that is to the detriment of the brand, and more broadly, to all owners.

ymmv. People have to follow their own moral compass. I know musicians who have downloaded thousands of free/pirated mp3 files and have no problem with it. After all, it is the 21st century and everything should be free or at least ridiculously cheap. Then they wonder why there are no paying gigs and day jobs are all low paying service sector...
 
Why buy a Fodera when I can use the same money to buy dozens of Fauxderas? :p

Because even a dozen Fauxderas won't sound an play like a single real one?

I bought my dozen SX basses for what THEY sound and play like which is NOT what my "real" Fender sounds and plays like. Even the SX with the Fender Headstock (done by me with bandsaw on old "canoe paddle") wouldn't fool anyone but the public who won't notice it has 5 strings and can't tell a lined fretless bass from a fretted bass.

I could see playing a Fauxdera in places it made sense just like my SX. You know if I were in a Flecktones tribute band playing dive bars or something. But I'm pretty sure that even with a lousy looking butterfly on the headstock, I'd not be fooling anyone that I was Victor Wooten or my bass was a Fodera! :)
 
If we are doing a completely objective review of the bass, we should compare it to something like this:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/bass/esp-ltd-b-204sm-electric-bass-guitar

At least they are similar price points, similar finish, and similar electronics.

Being strictly objective, I think this Fauxdera looks pretty great or $350.

This thread got me thinking the same thing, so I whipped out my ESP LTD that looks just like this Fauxdera (more or less) and pondered it.

Clearly my ESP is the Fauxdera answer! My ESP is FAR better than the Fauxdera! The spalting is WAY nice, especially on the headstock. The neck is an absolute dream! Tone is powerful and great. Hardware is excellent, it's black chrome and looks very expensive (even though it's not) Contruction is excellent and has high end features like separate battery box...and oh yeah, electronics not only work, they sound great. And it's all in this price range.

Plus I got to TRY it before I bought it. I noticed Sam Ash has another one in now and it's not nearly as nice as mine! This is the point. The reason you buy an instrument like Fodera is because you VALUE the artistic opinion of the guys that built it. It's not the wood or parts or butteryfly on the headstock that matters but the ENTIRE artistic combination of all of it and how it works together. THAT is what makes the Fodera worth the big money.

In the case of my ESP that artistic opinion was mine when I picked mine out of the other ESP chinese basses out there. (Which of course was why I didn't have to pay a Fodera price for it because my opinion is worth squat)

But to me one thing IS clear. That if I joined a Flecktones tribute band and wanted a Fauxdera, the ANSWER would be to send my ESP to Viet Nam and get the inlayers there to put a nice butterfly logo on the headstock! :hiding:
 
Not to derail my own thread, but I have found Wooten's tone relatively easy to cop. His talent? Not so much.

Couldn't be because of the exorbitantly colored tone of the Pope preamp or the sterile click of the EMG pickups, could it? I'm also sorry to further the derail, but I think active electronics lend themselves to a type of uniformity that is hard to dial out. Same deal on a Marcus Miller Jazz or Stingray. It's almost like the playing has more influence over passive electronics, while active electronics have more influence over playing. Not saying I don't like active electronics, just an opinionated observation.
 
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