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Need it louder. Guitar players super loud.

#121
The best way to get a guitarist with a Twin Reverb to behave is to use the tilt back legs to aim the amp right at his head.
Seriously.
You don't have to say anything. He'll figure out what is too loud on his own. :smug:

The last time I ran into a situation that threatened to get too loud I told the guitarist (band leader/front man) that I really liked his full stack...
and if he turned it up I had my BX1500 bridged for 900 watts and I wasn't afraid to use it.
Scared him so bad I had to talk him into turning up some so the drummer didn't drown him out. :laugh:

Seriously, preserve your hearing.
You'll need it later.
 
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#122
Loud Guitar or Drummer, no problem!
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#125
Doug Bright said:
I run an Aguilar tone hammer 700 and a single 112 Aguilar 8ohm cab.
This band that I just joined practices at such a high volume but I can't hear the detail in my playing that I would prefer.
The Aguilar cab is rear ported.
I'm considering a new 4ohm cab so that I can get the full 700 Watts out of the amp.
I do own a second 112 8ohm cab but I hate to have to schlep two cabs and an amp to every rehearsal.
Will a single 4 ohm cab make a big difference? Would a front port vs rear Port make a big difference.
Suggestions welcome.
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Keep in mind also, adding more speaker surface area will make you louder, even without changing your power level. You don't necessarily NEED to get a 4 ohm cab, if you get an 8 ohm 1x15 or 2x10 you'll already be pushing A LOT more air than a 1x12, even though the amp would technically still be pumping out the same wattage. This is why most people go for an 8x10 cab over a 2x15, because you get 628 square inches of speaker vs 353
 
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#126
Doug Bright said:
I run an Aguilar tone hammer 700 and a single 112 Aguilar 8ohm cab.
This band that I just joined practices at such a high volume but I can't hear the detail in my playing that I would prefer.
The Aguilar cab is rear ported.
I'm considering a new 4ohm cab so that I can get the full 700 Watts out of the amp.
I do own a second 112 8ohm cab but I hate to have to schlep two cabs and an amp to every rehearsal.
Will a single 4 ohm cab make a big difference? Would a front port vs rear Port make a big difference.
Suggestions welcome.
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Damaging your hearing is not a smart course of action. If you can't talk over the band during a rehearsal, you're doing it wrong - the point of rehearsal is to get it right, and that means talking it out. Rehearsal is not a gig for an audience of none.
 
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Ethanol said:
Keep in mind also, adding more speaker surface area will make you louder, even without changing your power level. You don't necessarily NEED to get a 4 ohm cab, if you get an 8 ohm 1x15 or 2x10 you'll already be pushing A LOT more air than a 1x12, even though the amp would technically still be pumping out the same wattage. This is why most people go for an 8x10 cab over a 2x15, because you get 628 square inches of speaker vs 353
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I know pushing more air is key, but my math skills are so poor, I never could have figured out the surface area of round speakers so that I could give quite such a succinct answer. I know π figures into it, but I damn-near failed Geometry and that was 40 years ago. I haven't gotten any smarter (mathematically) since.

Thank you.
 
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#129
Doug Bright said:
I run an Aguilar tone hammer 700 and a single 112 Aguilar 8ohm cab.
This band that I just joined practices at such a high volume but I can't hear the detail in my playing that I would prefer.
The Aguilar cab is rear ported.
I'm considering a new 4ohm cab so that I can get the full 700 Watts out of the amp.
I do own a second 112 8ohm cab but I hate to have to schlep two cabs and an amp to every rehearsal.
Will a single 4 ohm cab make a big difference? Would a front port vs rear Port make a big difference.
Suggestions welcome.
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112 will never be enough for a loud band ... a 112 is good for home rehearsal but you will need 2 for gigging and rehearsing. A 112 would be loud enough for a jazz band or folk band, but Rock is louder.

But if you band is too loud then even an 8x10 won't be enough.

For home rehearsal, and band rehearsal, and gigs I like a 350 watt head and a 2x10 8 ohm cab. The 350 watt is more like 200 watts at 8 ohms. I can do 2 8 ohm cabs to get more power, but I prefer using 1 cab these days.

Remember playing too loud is a hallmark of a bad band. Most venues do not want to hire bands that play too loud.
 
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#131
Doug Bright said:
I run an Aguilar tone hammer 700 and a single 112 Aguilar 8ohm cab.
This band that I just joined practices at such a high volume but I can't hear the detail in my playing that I would prefer.
The Aguilar cab is rear ported.
I'm considering a new 4ohm cab so that I can get the full 700 Watts out of the amp.
I do own a second 112 8ohm cab but I hate to have to schlep two cabs and an amp to every rehearsal.
Will a single 4 ohm cab make a big difference? Would a front port vs rear Port make a big difference.
Suggestions welcome.
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How large is the room that you practice in, and is there any sound damping on the walls?
 
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#132
Doug Bright said:
I run an Aguilar tone hammer 700 and a single 112 Aguilar 8ohm cab.
This band that I just joined practices at such a high volume but I can't hear the detail in my playing that I would prefer.
The Aguilar cab is rear ported.
I'm considering a new 4ohm cab so that I can get the full 700 Watts out of the amp.
I do own a second 112 8ohm cab but I hate to have to schlep two cabs and an amp to every rehearsal.
Will a single 4 ohm cab make a big difference? Would a front port vs rear Port make a big difference.
Suggestions welcome.
Click to expand...
I use a DNS-210 cab by DNA with my Eden WT-500/800 amp (800-watts) for all my medium and large indoor venues. It will handle 700-watts rms (both mechanically and thermally) and has a max SPL of 134db, which my big Eden amp can push it to. However, I've never needed to get close to that much power into it. Granted, many of the Eden WT amps have little power increase between about 2 o'clock and 5 o'clock, but setting my master at 10 o'clock on mine fills a large indoor venue. I once turned it up to 10:30. I reserve my DNS-410 cab for outdoors and music festivals.

Unfortunately DNA is closing its doors due to parts shortage and some no longer being made at all. But they started making cabs in 2010 about a year after David left Eden, which he had founded in 1976. So there are a number of them to be found as used. You may still find some at DNA dealers but there aren't any new ones being made. Street price on them was ~$869. They are super clear clean and articulate with a solid bottom end that will play the foundation notes down to 34Hz. Be sure to get an amp stand to put it on. Musician's Friend has the one I use which cost $39.99. Has set tilt back of 45°; is adjustable for height; holds 150-lbs.;and folds nicely for transport.

Your 700-watt Tone Hammer should drive the heck out of it.

Here's mine with my Eden WT-500/800 amp:
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Here's the amp stand I use:
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#134
A single 2x12" guitar amplifier may seem like a small piece of equipment compared to the expensive front of house (FOH) system that can cost up to $100k. However, it has the potential to cause significant damage to the sound balance of the band's performance. The guitar amplifier can act like a laser beam, projecting its sound through the corridor of the FOH and overpowering the rest of the band's instruments. This can be especially detrimental if the guitarist decides to crank up the volume, which can cause distortion and drown out and mask the other sounds. The result is a negation of the benefits of the expensive FOH system, as the overall sound quality of the performance will suffer. The audience won't know the guitarist is too loud, they'll know the band sounds bad. It's crucial for guitarists to be aware of the impact of their amplifiers on the sound balance and work with the sound of the entire band. It's not a war, it's living in harmony.
 
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#137
Doug Bright said:
I run an Aguilar tone hammer 700 and a single 112 Aguilar 8ohm cab.
This band that I just joined practices at such a high volume but I can't hear the detail in my playing that I would prefer.
The Aguilar cab is rear ported.
I'm considering a new 4ohm cab so that I can get the full 700 Watts out of the amp.
I do own a second 112 8ohm cab but I hate to have to schlep two cabs and an amp to every rehearsal.
Will a single 4 ohm cab make a big difference? Would a front port vs rear Port make a big difference.
Suggestions welcome.
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More Watts won’t make you louder.

More speakers will make you louder.

And please wear hearing protection.
 
#139
A single 12 is not enough for a loud rock band. Also, some of the Aguilar 12s have a mid scoop - the GS series are really scooped and the SL series are also scooped (not as much as the GS) - which makes it harder to be heard with distorted guitars. The DB series has a mid push which makes them really good with rock bands (the weight is not so great).
 
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