The alternative here is to accept op's statements as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. We have several reasons to belive that it's not that simple.
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Never Ordering a Schroeder Cab Again
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that is fair. Does anyone know Jorg? can they get his side of this?
Not a good example. The seller should sell what he belives to be the best solution for the buyer, based on the information from the buyer. It seems to me that Jorg did just that.
I bet he already knows, and is watching. But what would his comments contribute to this thread? Assume that OP is a total brain dead, incompetent fool of a man, all Jorg is going to do is bad mouth one of his customers and make petty he said she said statements. That's bad business. Assume OP is a paragon of virtue and Jorg is entirely in the wrong here. Coming on here to admit that is bad business. Assume that the real answer is somewhere in the middle, you've then got a disgruntled customer and a business owner publicly arguing as an undignified spectator sport with no winners. Bad business.
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And I think you missed post # 120, where the Op says this: " Jorg then told me that he had developed a box that would enable me to utilize both 4 ohm cabs with an amp that could only handle a minimum 4ohm load,". Nothing there that promises a total 4 ohm load.
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How does that change the statement in post #1? It doesn’t. It’s merely additional non-conflicting information.
I don't want to give a writing class.
However my comment "Jorg has by now been told about this thread and has chosen not to give his side." is called an assumptive statement.
Since I wasn't the one who told him and I don't actually know who may have, I made an assumption based on a collection of input from the is thread.
Would it have been better for you if I had said "It's safe to assume Jorg knows about this thread"?
Now,
After realizing that it was not taken that way I then clarified that it was an assumption.
I also included apologies to Jorg if it was not a correct assumption.
It changes things because, according to you, the central theme is the 4 ohm load question. At first, the OP says a 4 ohm load was promised. Afterwards, he sort of retracts that statement in post #120 , saying the box would enable him to use two 4 ohm cabs. A big difference, if you ask me, but maybe I'm crazy.
I think it’s a big difference, if you have a good working knowledge of amplifiers, cabs, and how impedance affects their performance (and I’d guess that most people who have been on TB for a while, are above average in this regard…).
In this case, the OP told the seller that he wanted to order an 8 ohm cab, so he would have the option of adding a second cab later. From his description, it sounds like he was talked into a 4 ohm cab, with the understanding that he could still add another one, and that it would work properly with his amp. Unless he was told otherwise by the seller, it would be natural for the buyer to assume that he could add the second cab without a loss of performance.
To expect a lay person to understand the difference between a cab setup that will work with a 4 ohm amp and a cab setup that is rated at 4 ohms, is a large assumption on the part of a vendor, especially if he is dealing directly with the customer. Ampeg can’t control what combination of their equipment people buy off the shelf at Guitar Center. However, if something is being custom built, or sold directly, I think the seller has a much greater responsibility, in terms of meeting the customer’s needs.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but it has been interesting to watch...
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Yes you are, but then we probably all are for discussing this way beyond the point of reason
The second statement doesn’t retract the first as it’s just repeating part of the initial statement. Maybe the OP misunderstood the purpose of the box, maybe not, but by now he’s probably given up playing bass and moved to Bolivia to raise alpacas.
I like alpacasYes you are, but then we probably all are for discussing this way beyond the point of reason
The only reason I could see Jorg recommending a 4 Ohm is if OP was trying to get by with one cab to start with. The 4 Ohm cab would be much louder than the 8. The serial box then allows the addition of the second cab.I think it’s a big difference, if you have a good working knowledge of amplifiers, cabs, and how impedance affects their performance.
In this case, the OP told the seller that he wanted to order an 8 ohm cab, so he would have the option of adding a second cab later. From his description, it sounds like he was talked into a 4 ohm cab, with the understanding that he could still add another one, and that it would work properly with his amp. Unless he was told otherwise by the seller, it would be natural for the buyer to assume that he could add the second cab without a loss of performance.
To expect a lay person to understand the difference between a cab setup that will work with a 4 ohm amp and a cab setup that is rated at 4 ohms, is a large assumption on the part of a vendor, especially if he is dealing directly with the customer. Ampeg can’t control what combination of their equipment people buy off the shelf at Guitar Center. However, if something is being custom built, or sold directly, I think the seller has a much greater responsibility, in terms of meeting the customer’s needs.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but it has been interesting to watch...
If you don't know the difference between "he knows" and "we can assume that he knows", you probably shouldn't give a writing class.
