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NEW Acoustic 360/361

#101
craig.p said:
The one possibility I may have missed based on having read what 77PBass wrote: The amps might merely be "up there," as opposed to actually doing any meaningful work. I mean volumes set super low. In that case, the delay-related problems they'd cause might be tolerable.

Another possible scenario I might have missed: Maybe the sound man is delaying the mains by X milliseconds to compensate for the distance between the 360s and the mains' bass bins. Doing things like that is a piece o' cake these days. More I think about it, that option seems to make the most sense. Betcha that's what they're doing. It's still got some rough edges to it, but it might be workable.
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Like your say, there are various means to keep things under control. My take on this matter is that the musicians primarily rely on the IEM:s and wedges. Since IEM:s don't flap your pants, the bass amps are likely run at moderate/normal levels -- I'd say in the 100-110 dB bracket -- to add a little tactile stimuli. This is of course enough to be heard from the front row, but not enough to cause significant interference with the FOH running 20 dB or more louder.

That the 360/361:s are used to fill the house is out of question today IMHO. Technically it'd be easy to control their volume form the main desk, but the 70:s are over and one generation of half deaf rockers is enough...
 
#105
One Drop said:
I think in this case Flea DID buy 12 rigs. I do know that they were meant to have one or two hooked up and a spare for three separate stage shows that leapfrog venues.
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I would doubt this.....There stage is nothing special and would set-up in no time, so i cant see them carrying anymore than one set-up

Even U2's giant production they carried 3 sets to do the "leap frog" thing because of how long it took to set up.....BUT only had one set of the actual stage and backline (the lighting,sound system+vid equipment was massive)

I work for I.A.T.S.E and worked with 2 guys recently on a Selena Gomez show and they worked the U2 gig and confirmed it. (I orig thought they carried 3 FULL sets that included the staging and backline)

Here is a rhcp vid from a show 3 days ago....very basic stage, also if you have a look, still NOT using the Acoustics anymore.
Red Hot Chili Peppers LIVE - Monarchy of Roses - MEN Arena 2011 - HD - YouTube

So how exactly did you come by info to state that "You know, they have 3 separate sets"?
 
#108
Toolmybass said:
Here is a rhcp vid from a show 3 days ago....very basic stage, also if you have a look, still NOT using the Acoustics anymore.
Red Hot Chili Peppers LIVE - Monarchy of Roses - MEN Arena 2011 - HD - YouTube
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Interesting to note he is on both the Acoustic USA and GK sites in their "Artists" pages. I assume these are endorsing artists with relationships with the companies and not some random people that use the equipment.

It's funny how small the GK rig looks on that stage. You know it is LOUD. Adam Clayton used an equally small looking rig for such a big stage during U2's recent tour. How funny would it look prancing about the stage with IEM's and nothing on stage!
 
#110
77PBass said:
Interesting to note he is on both the Acoustic USA and GK sites in their "Artists" pages.
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Yeah... Actually he could use both rigs! This would offer two distinctly different sounds at a flip of a switch. Alternatively he could build a "Franken-stack": The 361:s could serve as bass bins, and the 410RBH:s run the midrange and upwards. With a digital crossover (for time alignment of the direct radiators and the horns) it could be a match made in heaven...
 
#111
lfh said:
Thanks for the clarification! (Also thanks for putting things a bit into perspective. From time to time we tend to take the discussions too seriously.)

One reflection regarding reviews made on a voluntary basis:

Unless a product is really horrible, it's probably mainly the fans who go through the trouble of writing reviews. The indifferent ones just move on. This would cause a dominance of positive reviews. The mechanism might even be amplified in case of very expensive items. Few who have bought a megabucks whatever will admit to others that it was a bad purchase...
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True. But that also holds true for boutique basses, Mercedes Benz's and a myriad of high end products that have WP factor or Look at Me factor, Engorged Genitalia factor or Silicone Enhanced factor.

Tommy Hopkins in his excellent tome titled "Mastering the Art of Selling" points out the some of the best sales lead referrals come from customers who then rationalize their expensive purchase to their friends and relatives so as to justify it to themselves. And we all know this in real life is pretty much true, as you have noted.

Your brother-in-law buys a McMansion, raves about it, but won't complain to you about the high mortgage, upkeep, the cleaning, the bigger lawn and all that even though you know it's there and killing him. The same applies really here too. We have all seen the threads on 'this is the greatest thing sinced sliced bubinga', and it doesn't take long to separate the chaff from the wheat.

What do you really need? If owning a 150 lb rig makes you happy, go for it. For me, it just doesn't work. I am glad A-USA has finally delivered some products to market. At least the vapor ware accusations seem to have dissipated. I wish them nothing but success in their endeavors. I am not a part of the target demographic though.
 
#112
lfh said:
Yeah... Actually he could use both rigs! This would offer two distinctly different sounds at a flip of a switch. Alternatively he could build a "Franken-stack": The 361:s could serve as bass bins, and the 410RBH:s run the midrange and upwards. With a digital crossover (for time alignment of the direct radiators and the horns) it could be a match made in heaven...
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He could...but if you look at past history and the simplicity of his set-ups and pedalboard i would guess that this would never happen.

I have seen hundreds of live arena/outdoor shows and im a gear nut and only remember ONE bassist use 2 different types of cabs (Billy Gould, when he couldnt decide if he liked Trace Elliot or his Peavey stuff)

Normally (especially) if they have an endorsement, it would has a clause that any other gear brand is hidden from view.
Even hockey players that have a stick endorsement will hide the fact that they are using someone else's brand by spray painting the stick or covering up with tape.
 
#118
wonderjosh said:
How much R&D is required to build a reissue of an amp that was originally designed four decades ago? :rolleyes:
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It is a new design, not a copy of an existing one. R&D is expensive relative to a products cost if the product is being manufactured in small quantities, of course. Even more so if the project manager is not qualified himself and has to hire people to do the work, as I guess is the case with these amps.

Just trying to be a bit fair here.
 

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