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My luthier said the install instructions are a joke and not to do it like that. He has the instructions posted by his work bench as a joke

I really doubt that Ernie Ball would insert a joke as instructions... probably it's just your luthier that is short in view...

it's typical with artisans... everyone thinks he has the truth in hands... sadly most of them doesn't, but "they do it as a job", so they think they can share their truth.
 
My luthier said the install instructions are a joke and not to do it like that. He has the instructions posted by his work bench as a joke
Gotta admit I felt the same way, but just did it anyway. Also have to admit that I was shocked after playing a two-hour set and taking a break, they were still dead-nuts in tune when I went back up there. That's unusual for me, new strings or not!
 
Gotta admit I felt the same way, but just did it anyway. Also have to admit that I was shocked after playing a two-hour set and taking a break, they were still dead-nuts in tune when I went back up there. That's unusual for me, new strings or not!

It's certainly a bit unorthodox to be sure and the first I've seen something like that with bass strings but A) as Pier_ accurately stated, EBMM is a very bright and well run company that would not offer such advice willy nilly, and B) the logic in those instructions is quite clear. A very smooth flat wound string wound around a very smooth chrome tuner post, under tension is probably more likely to have the potential to slip than a round that can bite into its own windings on the post. I have had that happen more often recently on reused B strings because they will generally have fewer windings on the post so I get it. Your strings, your bass and I certainly don't care what you do but if folks have any issues with slipping you can wait for the inevitable chorus of "man, these things suck 'cause they won't stay in tune".

I guess that I am always a bit more bothered by the all knowing, end-of-disussion proclaimations from professionals like autotech6506's 'luthier' (a term which IMHO is far too indiscriminately used) that will simply dismiss what may be sound advice as a 'joke' because they know better than the mfg. And then, have the arrogance to print and use it to then show all that will pay attention just how stoopid EBMM is. I don't get it. But, good on them for being that brilliant.

That said, when I install a set I'll probably wind them the way I always do simply that's what I like. But I won't dismiss teh instructions as silly or wrong nor will I be blaming anyone else if something gets wonky because I deviated from what the mfg instructed or suggested. Jokes on me at that point.
 
It's certainly a bit unorthodox to be sure and the first I've seen something like that with bass strings but A) as Pier_ accurately stated, EBMM is a very bright and well run company that would not offer such advice willy nilly, and B) the logic in those instructions is quite clear. A very smooth flat wound string wound around a very smooth chrome tuner post, under tension is probably more likely to have the potential to slip than a round that can bite into its own windings on the post. I have had that happen more often recently on reused B strings because they will generally have fewer windings on the post so I get it. Your strings, your bass and I certainly don't care what you do but if folks have any issues with slipping you can wait for the inevitable chorus of "man, these things suck 'cause they won't stay in tune".

I guess that I am always a bit more bothered by the all knowing, end-of-disussion proclaimations from professionals like autotech6506's 'luthier' (a term which IMHO is far too indiscriminately used) that will simply dismiss what may be sound advice as a 'joke' because they know better than the mfg. And then, have the arrogance to print and use it to then show all that will pay attention just how stoopid EBMM is. I don't get it. But, good on them for being that brilliant.

That said, when I install a set I'll probably wind them the way I always do simply that's what I like. But I won't dismiss teh instructions as silly or wrong nor will I be blaming anyone else if something gets wonky because I deviated from what the mfg instructed or suggested. Jokes on me at that point.
I don't want to sound like a bragart but my luthier does repair and service many famous acts. I have to admit the only one I remember is Jon bon jovi. All the other names are from before my time. I was born in '83. He didn't like the wraps going over one another. We'll see if I have any tuning issues
 
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He didn't like the wraps going over one another.

that'a different from saying that is "a joke".

I've had the issue described by @nervous many times, in particular with G strings slipping on non tapered tuners (like the one on old Fender or reissues).

I don't want to sound like a bragart but my luthier does repair and service many famous acts.

I don't know how is in USA, but in Italy it's common to give enormous credit to people because of their work. giving you an example, I'm an Opera singer before a bass player, and I've studied in Roma's conservatory, but had the worst teacher ever.

he said me that I was a baritone (a low register voice), due to the ease I had to sing low notes, but I'm clearly a tenor (the highest male register), and it's a thing that can be easilly understood just hearing the "speaking voice".
a baritone has a deep and warm voice, and talks on low notes, a tenor has a bright voice, almost feminine or childish, and talks on higer notes.

however, the teacher has it's role in the Roma's conservatory, so back then I thought that probably he was right: who am I to doubt the words of a professional musician and teacher?

well, after an year studying with him, I started having problems with my voice, issues with vocal folds... I tried to explain this to my teacher, but he always said that it was only a lack of technique.

luckily I encountered a couple of old teachers that helped me, and I saved my voice before it was too late... now I can sing my tenor arias with any effort, and I restored my voice in less then six months, with the right method.

however, that idiot teacher is still a role teacher in one of the best conservatory in Italy, and will probably destroy the voices of many students.

what I learnt from this experience? the fact that one can do ONE job does not mean that he has the truth for everything concerning that argument.

I always hear "luthiers" giving away their "truth" about anything, and making fun of any other luthier or brand, and I've heard from them a lot of those stupid "legends" we all have encountered in years of playing and loving instruments. many times they are just good artisans, but don't know anything about the "science" behind the instruments.

a good carpenter, who can craft wood and make instruments maybe doesn't even know about the core of the strings, or doesn't know about flatwounds and anything like that. I knew a "luthier" who thought that short scale basses can't have a good sound, and that they were just toys... then me an a friend of mine made him play a Mustang, and now he loves short scale basses...
simply he haven't played any before, neither had to build one, and he believed all the stupid stereotypes about short scale basses. my Mustang, compared to my Precision, is unrecognizable just by the sound...
 
Looks like musiciansfriend has the 40-95 set in stock.
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Not really... "Order Now! Expected to ship 07-10-2015"


BSO sent out a big email saying they were leaked and there have been some problems. Seems a bit of a cluster****. He's offered a discount for those of us who've ordered and he's calling everyday to get them as fast as possible. I'm not in a big hurry to get them and the price at BSO is hard to beat.
 
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Not really... "Order Now! Expected to ship 07-10-2015"


BSO sent out a big email saying they were leaked and there have been some problems. Seems a bit of a cluster****. He's offered a discount for those of us who've ordered and he's calling everyday to get them as fast as possible. I'm not in a big hurry to get them and the price at BSO is hard to beat.

What do you mean by "leaked"?