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Double Bass NEW Euphonic Audio iAMP Doubler

+1 as far as Bob's comments. I'm also a stereo geek and remember some 100lb class A solid state stereo amps rated at 25 watts rms. And they would definitely go louder than most 200 watt stereo amps.

Because they had a power supply that had a transformer bigger than a spool of thread, big storage caps and could put out some current.

The formula: Watt=Volt x Amp (current). Amperage is where the 'balls' are.

I'm no electrical engineer, but I think the heart of the amp is in the power supply. That said, I think most of us are content with the sound of the smaller heads. I won't be lugging around a 20lb amp anytime soon. I am amazed that the new mini amps sound so good, are packed with features I would have killed for 20 years ago and are the size of a cigar box.
 
Exactly. I was an endorser for Walter Woods years ago but found that I couldn't get any impact to my sound. Which I always assumed was the digital power supply. I always used to carry a 4 space rack with my trusty Intersound preamp (which I still love) and a 30 lb. power amp with a big transformer and bigass caps. I'd always say that you can't get any balls without the weight. Which is still true in the absolute sense, but the switching supplies have gotten so much better that to my aging 54 year old (as of today) body the difference is WAY too small to warrant me me cussing and carrying around my great sounding Chevin power amp. By the way, I've got about 5 blown pro sound power amps in my basement at last count.
 
Mike,
I think that the developments in switching power supplies and digital power amplifiers has been pretty remarkable. AI, EA, GK Epifani, and even Carvin has one now. I'm not sure that they are "all created equal" though, there have been a few recalls on some of them. If you like the pre amp of a Walter Woods Electro Acoustic then they are very reliable amplifiers. I do so I'm set. It does make me kind of chuckle when everyone assumes a twenty plus year old amplifier is some kind of "holy grail", but then there's the whole Ampeg B-15 vibe. I sure I don't want' to haul one of those amps around either. I also know that my Ultra can't do what a Glockenklang is capable of. I just like it's convienence.

Ric


Exactly. I was an endorser for Walter Woods years ago but found that I couldn't get any impact to my sound. Which I always assumed was the digital power supply. .... Which is still true in the absolute sense, but the switching supplies have gotten so much better that to my aging 54 year old (as of today) body the difference is WAY too small to warrant me me cussing and carrying around my great sounding Chevin power amp.......
 
I agree. I'm a sound maniac so until I found an amp with a switching supply that worked for me I was willing to carry a 40lb rack. And I love the speakers that I've designed and built, but my fabulous sounding 2x10 cab weighed as much as a Twin Reverb. It's only because I've found a replacement that I can get my sound with that I've switched. There was lightweight stuff 10 years ago that I could have used, but I hated their sound, and I'd rather break my back and get a sound that I loved. I started playing bass because I fell in love with the sound. Now while I'm not a WW fan for MY sound, two of my favorite bassists get aphenominal sound with WW. One of my mentors is a Chicago guy named Kelly Sill. He's probably still using a first run WW head.And he gets a killer sound with it. I always say that I can see maybe using a WW head for DB, but never electric. Jimmy Johnson is one of my favorite electric players. He plays (or at least used to) an Alembic bass (which I can't stand playing) through a WW and gets a sound to die for. So the only rules are that if the sound resonates with you, then it's GREAT gear.
 
I also had a reasonably heavy power amp that did not sound as god as for example my Gallien 200MB power amp (even though the power amp was 2x250 vs 100 W). The iAMP800 sounds great at a very reasonable weight. I compared it to the Markbass and the Shuttle and both did not sound as good (in my opinion) as the iAMP800. So I can't wait to hear the new Micro. Tom Bowlus wrote the micro has an ICE power module. The 1000W of these are used in high end audio and are highly regarded by the people who can tell the difference between two loudspeaker cables with different oxygen content.

While there is something to say about storing a lot of energy in magnetic fields and capacitors, the easiest way to get lots of pulse power would be a power supply that regulates the power amp rail voltage very quickly to the right value. Maybe that's how they work? May explain why they work on such a large voltage range.
 
I also had a reasonably heavy power amp that did not sound as god as for example my Gallien 200MB power amp (even though the power amp was 2x250 vs 100 W).

I certainly agree with you. The Power section of the 200MB was only 50w into 8 ohms though, if I remember the specs correctly. I think that the pre amp in the 200MB was voiced so well for DB that it was just perfect for my bass and pickup combination. I'm not sure it the power amp alone was responsible for this though. IMHO it was the pre amp voicing that gave it that sound.

Ric
 
I certainly agree with you. The Power section of the 200MB was only 50w into 8 ohms though, if I remember the specs correctly. I think that the pre amp in the 200MB was voiced so well for DB that it was just perfect for my bass and pickup combination. I'm not sure it the power amp alone was responsible for this though. IMHO it was the pre amp voicing that gave it that sound.

Ric
The GK 200MB was rated at 100 watts into a 4-ohm load. Into the internal 8-ohm speaker, it can develop about 75 watts.
 
The GK 200MB was rated at 100 watts into a 4-ohm load. Into the internal 8-ohm speaker, it can only develop about 60 watts. Still sounds amazing loud though.

Bob,
That's the one thing that I thought was a little unusual about GK micro bass specs. Especially with the 200 MB. Using the 4 ohm rating for power output was a little misleading when the internal speaker is set at 8 ohms IMHO. But the Pre Amp was so great sounding that I don't think it mattered to most of us.
 
Bob,
That's the one thing that I thought was a little unusual about GK micro bass specs. Especially with the 200 MB. Using the 4 ohm rating for power output was a little misleading when the internal speaker is set at 8 ohms IMHO. But the Pre Amp was so great sounding that I don't think it mattered to most of us.

I agree. Especially calling a 100W/ 4Ohm amp that delivers 72W internal "200 MB"

But it is a great amp.
 
I've used the Doubler for some weeks now, with an Eden cabinet. I use it with a carved Höfner double bass (rosewood neck), through a Realist pickup. The sound is pretty decent I think (I'm a beginner), but I'm searching for a cabinet that works even better.

I want a bit more volume, and the Eden sounds too nasal when I reach a certain volume. Any advice?
 
I got my doubler back from EA last night. It actually came a few days ago but I had been travelling for work. There were no problems with it but they did make some adjustments to the gain stage on the input side. I only had a little time this morning to plug it in and make sure everything was working properly before packing it up for tonights gig.

I will report back on it, I've got a gig tonight and Saturday night.

Pete
 
I've used the Doubler for some weeks now, with an Eden cabinet. I use it with a carved Höfner double bass (rosewood neck), through a Realist pickup. The sound is pretty decent I think (I'm a beginner), but I'm searching for a cabinet that works even better.

I want a bit more volume, and the Eden sounds too nasal when I reach a certain volume. Any advice?

Ove,
The Eden 2X10 XLT is a very nice cabnet for Electric Bass. My guess is that the tweeter is to agressive for DB, and that double port configuration probably yeilds to much low frequency response as well. Lots of choices, of course there's the EA Wizzy 10 or 12 M line. The Schroder Mini 12 is also a possible choice. The Bergantino 112 neo is also a good choice. based on what others have posted. Of course, none of these are exactly inexpensive. The GK MBX cabinet is certianly a consideration, but no one's tried it with a Doubler yet. It certianly dosen't have the power handeling capabiility of the other cabinets and no tweeter. So it's probably not a good choice if you want to get your money's worth out of the Doubler.

Ric
 
I got two gigs under my belt since the head came back from EA. The guys were really nice and got it back to me pretty quick. It seems like it gets louder with a lower pregain which should give me a little more headroom. I didn't do any really loud gigs to really test it. I still wouldn't call it a loud 550 watts but not having both the pre and master volumes pinned makes me feel a little better.

It continues to sound great with both DB and electric. I have been very happy with my DB tone pickup only, no phase reversal. So I'd still contend if you do not plan on using a mic the new micro is probably a good fit.

I did utilize the intelligent switching this weekend. One of the female singers pulls out an acoustic guitar for a few songs and it was nice to just plug her into my amp and make some quick adjustments on the fly.

Pete
 
When the Acoustic Image Focus first came out I compared its highest volumes to that of my iAMP800, side by side; both were rated at 800w/4 ohms. The iAMP800 won the competition when comparing the two amps' highest power capability before distortion.

I'm no scientist, but the results did not surprise me. Neither did it cause me to believe the AI folks were overstating the Focus' power.

The Focus (and Micro/Doubler) are super lightweights, and I can't help but make the assumption that the many more pounds of extra array of components (transformers, capacitors) in the iAMP800 are capable of extending headroom and handling peaks more cleanly. That's what we are perceiving when running an amp at the upper edge of its capability.

When you scientifically measuring power output I believe it's a matter of continuous power that can be delivered at a moderate frequency at a given distortion level. We are throwing a wide range of dynamics at an amp, not a continuous organ pedal tone (unless we're bowing a note for an extended period). Therefore, our "ear test" of an amp's clean power output when playing at its full potential is going to depend on factors beyond its scientifically derived power rating.

The Doubler weigh less than 3 lbs. If the web facts I found for your Glock are correct, it is 24 lbs, the weight of about nine Doublers, so there are probably a lot more nooks and crannies for reserves of power. I suspect this is probably the "why" behind your continuing "The Doubler isn't as loud as my Glock!!!" theme.

IME real world differences on stage aren't necessarily comparable as they are on the test bench, which is where the numbers come from.

If you have you had an opportunity to compare the iAmp800 to the new iAmp Pro, I'd be very interested in your observations.

To me, this is the crux of the matter, Bob: "IME real world differences on stage aren't necessarily comparable as they are on the test bench, which is where the numbers come from."

IME, the better manufacturers, TB, and publications like BassGear magazine are able to correlate bench-derived numbers with the life experience and expectations of the gigging bassist, the greater will be their fortunes.

As I understand it, Tom Bowlus and the BassGear team are working to come up with a list of real world gigging criteria they can correlate with advertised ratings of bass gear, and asking manufacturers and reviewers to address inconsistencies: good on them!
 
Regardless of my initial volume gripes this head just sings with DB, paired with my VL208 it is all I could ask for from a DB rig. What a great sound and some nice compliments from the jazz quartet over the weekend.

As for electric I did a nice outdoor gig and didn't run the master past 1 o'clock, it worked very nicely for me.

Not any other reviews coming in, I guess the economy is a little slow or just not many TB'er open to offering their reviews. I shipped out my monster Glockenklang HR last week and am still holding onto the Soul but this head is now my real deal main gigging amp for both DB and electric....

Pete
 
If you have you had an opportunity to compare the iAmp800 to the new iAmp Pro, I'd be very interested in your observations.... --snip--

I haven't gigged a Pro, but I did compare it to my iAMP800 over my two VL208s. Their tone was pretty much the same, I didn't spend a huge amount of time twisting knobs, just playing flat, at first, and then adjusting both to my "gig reference EQ" (I took a photo and printed it in B&W, marking my favorite settings, so I have a "reference" point from which to start my EQing at a new room. Saves a lot of time because I usually only have to do a little tweaking to adjust for room acoustics.)

If anything, the Pro is a teeny, tiny, tiny bit warmer, and it can deliver higher apparent volume levels than the iAMP 800. That was an in the home comparison, and I value my hearing. Even an outdoor block party, a loud 5 string electric bass gig with my 800/VL208 stack I played yesterday did not push the 800 head to its limit. So I have not had an occasion (and plan not to have to ever play that loud) where I could practically compare the volume limitations of the two.

Both can get really, really loud, and that is good enough for me. IMHO the iAMP Pro is a worthy replacement for the 800, and it provides even more headroom. How much more? Doesn't matter to me. ;)
 
Thanks, Bob. I'm also curious about the new Pro. I did find the Micro 300 and now the Doubler to be warmer (in a tube sort of way) than the 800. But within either's volume constraints neither seemed to give up punch. I do like the additional EQ on the pro. Maybe I'll get one. Funny thing is that I've used the Doubler on electric gigs as loud as I ever have to play and the Doubler worked admirably. Maybe I'll forgo the eq and save the dough. I just love scaring drummers and telling them that I have 1200 watts at my disposal though.
 
I have been gigging with the i-amp 800 for six years and last week I received the i-amp pro.There is no dealer in Europe anymore so the head came from Bob Gollihur.
The head has a little more headroom and sounds clearer.
I'm using them with Aguilar GS 112 speakers.