*New Extension Cab*, What do You Guys Think??

[GrowlerBox]

... I set the Eden on my Carvin 18" powered cab.... Ampeg SVT7 - pre-amp to Carvin sub, thru the high-pass (set back to 90hz.,) rest goes on to either one or two Mesa Boogie Powerhouses(1X15, 4X10,horn)

If that Carvin is a sub as you say, this is a very different situation from the OP's. And I don't think Paul's talking about a 15 LF, he's talking about a full-range 15 and the possibility of damage if it's asked to take the same power as a 410, nothing to do with which part of the spectrum it's reproducing.

 

[edpal]

If that Carvin is a sub as you say, this is a very different situation from the OP's. And I don't think Paul's talking about a 15 LF, he's talking about a full-range 15 and the possibility of damage if it's asked to take the same power as a 410, nothing to do with which part of the spectrum it's reproducing.

True - spectrum and power are not the same. I'm just amazed at these threads and how glaringly obvious it is few people think about splitting up the heavy lifting a little through thoughful crossover use. I think my solution is fairly elegent and easy to use & move. Until I switch to the setup with the MB POwerhouses. Those are monsters - but they shake the house. heh! I can fit the Carvin Sub AND the Eden into the back of a 1999 Grand Am.

And as a previous poster noted - nothing wrong with underworking a full-range cab a little.

 

[edpal]

Considering the head the OP has, he just needs to replace the 15 driver with a good LF one and use his bi-amping capabilities properly. And life will be good.

 

[bwoodman]

Buy a pair of BRX 210 cabs. You can get 8 ohm versions if you request it for a small upcharge. I almost got a pair of these, but built a pair of SWR style 210 cabs instead - stained instead of the usual black carpet etc. Stack them vertically of course. I've been using a pair of 210 for years with great results.

 

[GrowlerBox]

Considering the head the OP has, he just needs to replace the 15 driver with a good LF one and use his bi-amping capabilities properly. And life will be good.

Maybe, maybe not. The OP's said he prefers the 410 over the 115, and your solution still requires that he buy another cabinet (or at least another driver, and it's unlikely the box will be well-tuned for a true LF-driver). Interestingly, he also mentioned that the combination wasn't really missing anything, and while I'm not certain how to interpret that, it suggests that he might still get some mileage out of the current setup if he spends some time with the bi-amping capabilities of that head.

 

[otherclef]

there's nothing wrong with pairing a 4x10 with a 1x15

if so, then Victor Wooten must not know what he's doing cuz I recently saw him with not one, but 2 410 and 115 stacks. hmmm

+1

 

[edpal]

Maybe, maybe not. The OP's said he prefers the 410 over the 115, and your solution still requires that he buy another cabinet (or at least another driver, and it's unlikely the box will be well-tuned for a true LF-driver). Interestingly, he also mentioned that the combination wasn't really missing anything, and while I'm not certain how to interpret that, it suggests that he might still get some mileage out of the current setup if he spends some time with the bi-amping capabilities of that head.

OP -"To be honest, It's not "missing" anything, I just vastly prefer the sound of my 4x10 to that of my 1x15.". We all lost track of this, OP doesn't verbalize an issue, just, "I got tired of the girl downstairs"(sounds like GAS). Now I'm really thinking he needs to examine the bi-amping before kicking the 15 to the curb.

 

[GrowlerBox]

OP -"To be honest, It's not "missing" anything, I just vastly prefer the sound of my 4x10 to that of my 1x15.". We all lost track of this, OP doesn't verbalize an issue, just, "I got tired of the girl downstairs"(sounds like GAS). Now I'm really thinking he needs to examine the bi-amping before kicking the 15 to the curb.

There's an echo in here .

 

[edpal]

There's an echo in here .

Exactly - OP fooled two clowns. Either that or it's just a phasing issue.

Please look at my post #63 - did the echo start there? Nah, the bi-amping of that head was brought up early in the thread......

and then why you were all pounding the poor guy in your 4x10 and 1x15 glory.
No body seemed to notice he has a BX1200
which comes with 2 output sections, with individual volume control.........and wait for it.............
Adjustable Crossover.

 

[mwig]

Always an interesting topic. whats the takeaway message? match your cabs if possible. We've all mixed and matched cabs, and sometime it sounds good, sometimes not so much, but matched cabs will more than likely give you a more predictable dispersion/sound. Whats your goal? More volume? more low end thud? A lot of that can be fixed with good eq. The BRX is a good cab, and I agree its superior to the BR series. The Avatar 410 neo is also very good and a bit cheaper and lighter. You have what you have, though, so i would hold onto the BR 410, sell the 115 and buy a used BR 410. Eq it properly and bridge the BX 1200 and you will have a very good sound. That's your cheapest and I think best option.

 

[tombowlus]

Well, you're right...the one comment was over the top. Reading it back, sarcasm didn't come through and it just looks like somebody talking out of their ass, so, I apologize for that one.

No worries. Thank you for this comment. Your posts are normally pretty darned helpful, and I was a little baffled by that one. It's hard to get nuance across in e-speak on forums, I suppose.

Those two came to mind because I've never seen participate in any public discussion like this.

Again, I'd say that whether or not someone posts here a lot isn't that meaningful of a measuring stick. As one example, Ken Lawrence doesn't participate in discussions on TalkBass, but he's still one of the most amazing luthiers out there.

I'm sure they'd be happy to talk with someone if they handed them $1500 for a speaker....they'd better.<----sarcasm.. While the stuff does sound good, I think they've built up this boutique type brand recognition that pretty much just feeds on itself, with the help of admittedly happy customers singing praises which basically amounts to a sort of free advertising.....or we'll just call it good buzz.

I'm not getting your point, here. If someone makes good stuff and has built up brand recognition and has happy customers singing their praises, how is that a bad thing? And if someone were really working the "free advertising" side of things, I think that posting here would also qualify as a form of free advertising. In fact, as a potential buyer, I think I would find the comments of happy customers singing a brand's praises to be ultimately more helpful than comments directly from a manufacturer...

They seem to kind of sit back and let this happen uuand keep themselves out of the public eye so to speak so as to not do anything to upset it. At least on a more person to person level like TB. These guys have built up this image of their stuff and command huge prices for it while if you really look at it, there's nothing new, revolutionary or extrordanary about it. It's the same designs as the rest of the industry and there's more than a few folks here who could poke some holes in it, or sort of take a little bloom off tbe rose so to speak. While the stuff can sound great, I don't it lives up to the hype, or the pricetag.

-1 on that one. I think that both Dave and Jim worked hard to develop good sounding products which are competitively priced and which perform at the top rung in each speaker class they compete in (Jim, especially). While I can think of a couple of Eden designs which I thought weren't quite the cream of the crop, those might not have been Dave's "babies." With regard to Bergantino, at least, I definitely disagree that his cabs don't live up to their hype or that they are priced out of line.

While being a TB member is certainly no pre-requisite for anything, there are members here from big, mainstream companies like Genz, Gallien, Peavey, Ampeg, etc. as well as smaller outfits, amp builders, cab builders, bass builders, etc. These folks for the most part are helpful, educational, even in areas that having nothing directly to do with their products. They don't violate any CUP. I don't see that from the 2 I mentioned, not to single them out specifically, they just came to mind.

My.02. I don't sell anything and really have nothing to gain or lose from sort of "putting my thoughts out there".

Fair enough. It's good for people to share their two cents (so long as things stay civil). I just happen to disagree with your position.

Sorry to get too far off topic...

 

[will33]

Long and short of it is this.....I've heard a handful of Berg's in action, small gigs, where you hear the rig, not the PA. Yes, they have "that tone" people would describe as rich, buttery, etc. I also noticed that when you get out away from the rig, a lot of that majic disappears in the mix. Still sounds good, but nothing " extra special". They still beam, the bass still doesn't sound as even as it could throughout the place, same issues most any other cab has.

I got to play a guys NV610 twice, in a band setting, not goofing around at a store...same deal. Nice cab, sure. It sounds as good as the ampeg it's trying to mimick but no better. It still misses some little something you could only describe as "mojo" compared to a flatback SVT. Again, very good but nothing "extra special".

I don't know if I'm not hearing what others are hearing or if it's not really there. I think some of it is the hype being so great the product couldn't hope to live up to it, and some of it is owners, consciously or sub-consciously building it up to something more than it is to justify the price paid. I've actually seen more than one person here use the phrase "Jim Bergantino is God"...seriously, that's rediculous.

As far as DNA goes, his ad fluff and inflated specs are beyond laughable, to the point of being insulting to anyone with some sense....pure fantasy BS not even worth consideration. So yes, I don't think this stuff is worth it and these guys steer clear of public discussion on it so as not to upset the applecart. If somebody else hears it differently or does think it's worth it, fine. I'll also admit I could've done a lot better job of conveying that earlier.

That'll be enough of me taking this thread off the rails....back to mixing cabs and crossovers.

 

[otherclef]

Making such a statement is wrong even with an emoticon. Here is a reason from today: http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/i-think-i-just-smoked-my-1x15-843250/

I don't get it why there is this thing about mixing cabs??
And that thread is not resolved.

 

[will33]

I don't get it why there is this thing about mixing cabs??
And that thread is not resolved.

Reasons not to do it have been explained ad nauseum. Haven't really heard a good reason to do it.

BTW, Victor Wooten is a fantastic bassist, but I really don't think he's an acoustic engineer and I'll bet if you asked him, he'd probably tell you as much.

 

[otherclef]

Reasons not to do it have been explained ad nauseum. Haven't really heard a good reason to do it.

BTW, Victor Wooten is a fantastic bassist, but I really don't think he's an acoustic engineer and I'll bet if you asked him, he'd probably tell you as much.

Ah I see... so the hi tech TB engineer squad cant get the message out!!! All those poor touring bassists!!!

 

[will33]

Ah I see... so the hi tech TB engineer squad cant get the message out!!! All those poor touring bassists!!!

For whatever reason it's marketed that way by several companies, to the point a lot people think it must be done that way. Now if I was as good as Vic, and Ampeg offered me that stack to play, I can't say I'd turn it down.

 

[JimmyM]

If Victor Wooten jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge, would you?



Victor Wooten is one of the very best bassists to have ever picked up the instrument. You need to learn something about bass playing, he's your guy. But he also endorses a very expensive power cable that's been proven by degreed electrical engineers to do nothing that your run of the mill $10 power cable can't do. So when it comes to matters like this, he's the last guy I'd consult. And that's fine...Vic is very smart where it concerns his area of expertise, which isn't electrical or acoustic engineering. For that, we have dudes like Andy, who's every bit the engineer that Vic is a bassist.

 

[1n3]

When I was just young and buying my first bass amp, I was led astray by companies selling a 4x10 matched with a 1x15. After lurking TB, I've decided to replace the 1x15 with either another 4x10 or a 2x10.

I have a Carvin BX1200 Head, with a BR410-4 cab and a BR115-8 cab. I'm selling the BR115-8 and would like to replace it with a Carvin BRX series cab.

Which speaker would compliment my current setup better, a second 4x10 or a 2x10? Also, does anyone have experience with either Cab?

It's been long enough since it was referenced, thought I'd drop my $.02 on the original question.

I would suggest an 8 ohm 210 to go with your 4 ohm 410. Think the BR210-8 would give you 6 identical 10" speakers pulling equal power. That gives you a 210 to take to low volume gigs, and (effectively) a 610 for your loudest gigs.

 

[grisezd]

When I was just young and buying my first bass amp, I was led astray by companies selling a 4x10 matched with a 1x15. After lurking TB, I've decided to replace the 1x15 with either another 4x10 or a 2x10.

I have a Carvin BX1200 Head, with a BR410-4 cab and a BR115-8 cab. I'm selling the BR115-8 and would like to replace it with a Carvin BRX series cab.

Which speaker would compliment my current setup better, a second 4x10 or a 2x10? Also, does anyone have experience with either Cab?

Thanks!

Just a quick question back at you. Do you dislike anything about the sound of your rig as it is now?

While maybe not technically perfect or gear-snobbishly elegant, the vast majority of the music world seem to get by just fine with "mismatched" equipment. Some musicians actually play alongside others in ensambles using a mixture of instruments! Get this, they do it in places that were not originally designed for musical performances! Snort.

 

[Woodsbass]

Just a quick question back at you. Do you dislike anything about the sound of your rig as it is now?

While maybe not technically perfect or gear-snobbishly elegant, the vast majority of the music world seem to get by just fine with "mismatched" equipment. Some musicians actually play alongside others in ensambles using a mixture of instruments! Get this, they do it in places that were not originally designed for musical performances! Snort.

This was actually answered earlier in the thread, but I don't blame you for not reading it all!

Its not that my rig doesn't sound good, because it does. But I do prefer the sound of my 4x10 to that of my 1x15, so I figure swapping the 1x15 out for another 4x10 will make my rig sound that much better.

I'm actually kind of sold on selling both cabs and getting two BRX 10.2s though, after doing some research and reading through this thread.

I think...