New Mike Adler TWELVE STRING BASS????

[Bernie Connors]

Garry,

Thanks for your input in this thread. I for one am glad that you are pushing the boundaries and creating new territories for the bass to expand into. That bass looks incredible. Let us know how it's working out for you on your gigs and get us some more pics of it! Are you going to record it anytime soon?

 

[Selta]

Garry,

Thanks for your input in this thread. I for one am glad that you are pushing the boundaries and creating new territories for the bass to expand into. That bass looks incredible. Let us know how it's working out for you on your gigs and get us some more pics of it! Are you going to record it anytime soon?

+1, and if you do record it, pass the songs onto me, I really am intrigued by ERBs, and would love to hear this one in action (I think I may be a convert...gotta try one first!).

Ray

 

[Bernie Connors]

This thread just made me think of something funny. It's to the point now that 7 and 8 strings are becoming somewhat "normal." With 11 and 12's cropping up, it's made us all forget about the "little" guys.

Of course, I say all this in jest. But I think you guys get my point. I love this!

 

[Selta]

This thread just made me think of something funny. It's to the point now that 7 and 8 strings are becoming somewhat "normal." With 11 and 12's cropping up, it's made us all forget about the "little" guys.

Of course, I say all this in jest. But I think you guys get my point. I love this!

You know, just before I read this post, I looked at my ESP P/J 4 string, and said, damn, there is now an instrument (I really can't call them basses ) that has three times the strings as it does. Then I said, damn, I gotta play it

Ray

 

[jusplayinmybass]

Gary

Those are words of wisdom if I ever heard them.

B Easy
Myron

 

[john turner]

great post garry.

 

[Garry Goodman]

great post garry.

Thanks John-
It was great to see you and other TB members at NAMM.
I tried to post another photo,but the file size is too large.Maybe Mike has some photos of the 12 taken from the side so one can see how thin the neck profile is.
BTW-the .004 string is at day 4 with about 4 hours a day of playing on it.I think once a player gets used to it, there will be less broken strings.

 

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Thanks John-
It was great to see you and other TB members at NAMM.
I tried to post another photo,but the file size is too large.Maybe Mike has some photos of the 12 taken from the side so one can see how thin the neck profile is.
BTW-the .004 string is at day 4 with about 4 hours a day of playing on it.I think once a player gets used to it, there will be less broken strings.

Garry, if you'd like to email me the photo, I can either resize it and post it for you, or host it and post it at its original size.

 

[Bernie Connors]

Here's the pic. Awesome bass!

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[Bryan R. Tyler]

Y'know, it actually doesn't look very big in Garry's hands. Garry looks like a deer in headlights, though

What is the string spacing at the bridge?

 

[Bernie Connors]

Y'know, it actually doesn't look very big in Garry's hands. Garry looks like a deer in headlights, though

What is the string spacing at the bridge?

13mm IIRC.

 

[ixlramp]

I don't consider them just basses. You can play bass on them. They are something else. Nobody has come up with a name that works well enough to become common. Extended Range Bass isn't bad but it's just the modification of another name. I think they need their own name lest us ERB players constantly be referred to as frustrated guitarists.

- Dave

i have been calling these things full range guitars (FRGs) over on ERB.com

 

[Bryan R. Tyler]

13mm IIRC.

That's about the same spacing my old Samick five-string used to have

 

[Bernie Connors]

Mike or Garry,

Could you give us a little more insight into the preamp on the bass? It seems very in-depth.

 

[Garry Goodman]

Y'know, it actually doesn't look very big in Garry's hands. Garry looks like a deer in headlights, though

What is the string spacing at the bridge?

Bryan-every photo I take lately seems to come out like that(?!?!)
If you can resize that to be 150kb,it would be great.I wanted to replace the photo here:http://www.gopromusic.com/detail.php?siteid=71

The string spacing is 13mm at the bridge and 7 something at the nut. Mike could tell you the exact specs.I requested that it be close to my Tobias 7 string spacing because I've spent the last almost 18 years with that spacing. It is easy for me to have the spacing that close.

 

[jvbjr]

I still don't get it. Tuned in fourths you gain 5 notes per string, so 11 strings gives you 55 notes, plus 16 more for the .004 with 36 frets, so you yield 71 notes in total. I can not see how you can have your thumb behind the neck and play the bassiest string, my fingers are too short for sure.

Since there is so much repetition of notes, you could play all of the 71 notes with less than 11 strings if you moved away from 4th tuning, at the expense of chords being to far apart.

So is that low string more of a problem playing or is the chordal issue, and which makes more sense to which user?

 

[john turner]

it's 12 strings, dude. 55 + 36 = 91. just fyi.

 

[jvbjr]

it's 12 strings, dude. 55 + 36 = 91. just fyi.

So 12x5 = 60

36-5 = 31

60 + 31 = 91

Ok

 

[Garry Goodman]

I still don't get it. Tuned in fourths you gain 5 notes per string, so 11 strings gives you 55 notes, plus 16 more for the .004 with 36 frets, so you yield 71 notes in total. I can not see how you can have your thumb behind the neck and play the bassiest string, my fingers are too short for sure.

Since there is so much repetition of notes, you could play all of the 71 notes with less than 11 strings if you moved away from 4th tuning, at the expense of chords being to far apart.

So is that low string more of a problem playing or is the chordal issue, and which makes more sense to which user?

The bass is tuned in 4ths.when I play a chromatic scale starting with the lowest open note,play up five note,I now have the same note as the next highest open sting.Continuing this way using open strings and moving up vertically, staying within the first 4 frets,and not playing the same note twice, by the time I play the 5th note on the highest string,I have played 60 notes.
When I continue chromatically on the highest string,by the time I reach the highest fret, I have played a total of 92 seperate notes spanning 10 octaves.
The low note is not a problem. I can use A, B and C block voicing usually only accessed by a keyboard,or a horn section. I can use orchestral string voicings . The neck looks about 3/4" thick,and for an inline 12 string,it's amazing.The bass plays itself.
Remember that I had specific ideas I developed over the years and shared them with Mike.The bass looks and plays like it does because of Mike 's vision and skill as a builder. i wantedit to feel,play and sound a certain way in my mind.Mike did a superb job in taking this concept and making it a reality.
I wasn't thinking about how another player would use it.I had my own concepts to explore.The neck is not as wide as the Adler 11-string.Compare this partial shot of the neck in my hands to the one above:http://www.gopromusic.com/detail.php?siteid=264
It was made to be fully functional.

 

[Jay Terrien]

The Adler 12 truly is an amazing work of functional art and it's surely safe in the hands of a stellar composer like Garry. I can't wait to hear some recorded examples of this bass, which hopefully will shed some light on how well the complicated electronics configuration sounds in a studio environment.

God, I wish you guys could have heard his CD (Track 10) played through some amazing monitors at this one booth at NAMM (the name of the company escapes me at the moment, but the owner was real close to 7 Ft. tall!!!!!!). Throughout the tune, the monitors moved 1" back and the cones were just PULSING. It was visually stunning.......

For the record, I have no affiliation with the Dean, Peavey, or Coffin Case girls whatsoever.