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New Quilter bass amp!

#81
I am a BB800 user. Absolutely no complaints here. The XLR non-issue has been debated so much, I'm not gonna talk about it.

It's great to see Quilter being responsive to customer concerns. However, I hope the BB800 doesn't go away. I think it offers a unique UI in the bass amp world. I also acknowledge that this amp serves the player who uses character and eq pedals best. I use a VT Bass and Q-Strip in front of mine, and use the amp's EQ to further clean it up. Getting a great tone out of this is amp wasn't ever difficult. I usually have it paired with two Ampeg 210AV cabs. I keep the Depth at 1 click clockwise, and Contour 2 clicks clockwise. A vintage, punchy tone. The fan noise and noise floor were never an issue for me.

The new amp looks like it offers more for the traditionalist. I'm sure it will be great. But I don't think I'm going to "upgrade".
 
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#83
This is an interesting development as a follow up to the BB800. Kudos to Peter and Pat for listening to the feedback of their customers and trying to speak to their requests.

I for one am happy to see the 4 band eq as opposed to solely the filters. I thought they were super impressive as a 2 knob solution but agree with an earlier poster that in a funky room it could be difficult to "fix" something without a traditional eq. Ideally I would have liked to see something like what mark bass does, a 4 band eq in addition to the dual proprietary filters.

As to the XLR situation, I also would have preferred an XLR out to XLR in, even though for my own purposes I got more use out of the XLR in. I most commonly used the quilter as a second in the chain after my tube DI which had an additional xlr output to drive an amp. So i was easily able to use a balanced line from the DI to the quilters amp section, and didn't need the bb's xlr out, as my tube DI had that covered. BUT.... I realize that is a pretty uncommon setup and that most players would much prefer the amp to have a built in XLR out for a DI.

that being said, the quilters stunning power section (with its limiter as a close second) is its selling point and if you want that sound, most reasonable folks would be willing to buy an inexpensive adaptor to make that happen. AND. It would perhaps have been a better call like others have said to ditch the xlr in for a xlr out.

Either way, this amp sounds like a win and I look forward to checking one out!
 
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#84
maybe they just figured that with all the nice, high quality di boxes out there that having one in the amp could never compete in quality with a dedicated di box, so they gave us a 1/4 inch out to use to plug directly into a di box (similar to a walter woods). you can use a standard patch cable for this. dont need an adapter or a trs cable.

interesting that no one has responded to our question of whether or not the 800 is going away.
 
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I'd like to think Pat had a goal in mind with the final product, so I put myself in his shoes, and not a "Talk Bass member"; basically, where does this product fit in his product line.

The BB802 seems to fits nicely in Quilter's product line, especially when taking the Bassliner concept into account.

I'd imagine the target market is everyone, from the player that doesn't need to go to the front of the house, to the ones that do via a soundman, and a patch cable (or instrument cable) to external di (which all sound engineers have, and mentioned by shwashwa) or micing the cab is the way to go.

And then there's this:

shwashwa said:
maybe they just figured that with all the nice, high quality di boxes out there that having one in the amp could never compete in quality with a dedicated di box, so they gave us a 1/4 inch out to use to plug directly into a di box (similar to a walter woods).
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Is an XLR out the same as a di out?

I guess the real question is - am I using a di out most of the time, or some of the time? The lack of di out was initially my only show stopper with the amp. But, I have some nice DI's so not so much of a show stopper I guess.

Too bad I couldn't do a swap with Pat - ukulele for Quilter stuff (since he plays ukulele, and I build them ha!)
 
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shwashwa said:
maybe they just figured that with all the nice, high quality di boxes out there that having one in the amp could never compete in quality with a dedicated di box, so they gave us a 1/4 inch out to use to plug directly into a di box (similar to a walter woods). you can use a standard patch cable for this. dont need an adapter or a trs cable.

interesting that no one has responded to our question of whether or not the 800 is going away.
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IF that is what they figured they'd be wrong IME. WW isn't exactly cutting edge. The XLR out worked fine despite being tied to the master. The sound is high quality. To retain that functionality now requires an adapter or worse a DI. I'd bet most people who gig don't carry DI's, for a reason. I've never needed one and don't plan on starting now. I also don't mic my cabs.

As someone else mentioned this has been a feature on bass amps for decades. It reminds me of Markbass omitting a mute switch when GC initially started carrying them. People clearly explained why they're desired yet the Markbass rep suggested unplugging your bass to tune... still one of the most tone deaf responses I've ever seen from a manufacturer.
 
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kekani said:
I'd like to think Pat had a goal in mind with the final product, so I put myself in his shoes, and not a "Talk Bass member"; basically, where does this product fit in his product line.

The BB802 seems to fits nicely in Quilter's product line, especially when taking the Bassliner concept into account.

I'd imagine the target market is everyone, from the player that doesn't need to go to the front of the house, to the ones that do via a soundman, and a patch cable (or instrument cable) to external di (which all sound engineers have, and mentioned by shwashwa) or micing the cab is the way to go.

And then there's this:



Is an XLR out the same as a di out?

I guess the real question is - am I using a di out most of the time, or some of the time? The lack of di out was initially my only show stopper with the amp. But, I have some nice DI's so not so much of a show stopper I guess.

Too bad I couldn't do a swap with Pat - ukulele for Quilter stuff (since he plays ukulele, and I build them ha!)
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Brah!
We just missed you :)
I was out in Waianae mid-summer helping my son and daughter move to da mainland.
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Then we spent some time in da city visiting old friends. Todd and Sparky with my grandson :)
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Anyway, I'll return you to the program now in progress...
:)
 
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Had my first gig with the 802 and the two BassDock cabs (1x12, 1x10). Note, if you get the BassDock 1x10, you will need some right angle speaker cables (which I did not have) if you want to "dock" the BB800/802 in the back. I probably could have just put the BD112 on top of the BD110, but I had room to set the head next to the cabs, so that's what I did (and I normally like the "smaller" cab on top).

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As you can see, this was an outdoor gig, and I had generous PA support. The Quilter rig did a great job of providing stage volume without overwhelming my bandmates/singer. I did run the 100Hz control turned way up (almost dimed), but it sounded great, and the cabs handled it just fine.

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tombowlus said:
Had my first gig with the 802 and the two BassDock cabs (1x12, 1x10). Note, if you get the BassDock 1x10, you will need some right angle speaker cables (which I did not have) if you want to "dock" the BB800/802 in the back. I probably could have just put the BD112 on top of the BD110, but I had room to set the head next to the cabs, so that's what I did (and I normally like the "smaller" cab on top).

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As you can see, this was an outdoor gig, and I had generous PA support. The Quilter rig did a great job of providing stage volume without overwhelming my bandmates/singer. I did run the 100Hz control turned way up (almost dimed), but it sounded great, and the cabs handled it just fine.

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Was not having a dedicated XLR out disturbing to you? I am guessing no but, I'll wait to hear from you. Must not have been a deal-breaker to you, you have it :)
 
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DJ Bebop said:
Was not having a dedicated XLR out disturbing to you? I am guessing no but, I wait to hear from you :)
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You will notice that there is a DI box next to the rig. I would prefer to have full-featured XLR DI, but most sound techs will have a DI box handy, so it's not a huge issue not to have it. I suppose I could have tried a 1/4" to XLR transformer...
 
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tombowlus said:
You will notice that there is a DI box next to the rig. I would prefer to have full-featured XLR DI, but most sound techs will have a DI box handy, so it's not a huge issue not to have it. I suppose I could have tried a 1/4" to XLR transformer...
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Thank you!
Yes, I saw the DI.
And yet knowing no XLR, you still have the amp, for now (he says because folks are always switching up their stuff here :))
 
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DJ Bebop said:
Thank you!
And yet knowing no XLR, you still have the amp, for now (he says because folks are always switching up their stuff :))
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To be fair, this amp is in for review with Bass Gear Magazine. That being said, if I otherwise liked what an amp had to offer, it's pretty easy to throw a DI box into the gig bag.
 
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tombowlus said:
You will notice that there is a DI box next to the rig. I would prefer to have full-featured XLR DI, but most sound techs will have a DI box handy, so it's not a huge issue not to have it. I suppose I could have tried a 1/4" to XLR transformer...
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For the 1000th time you don't need a transformer or adapter! Take a little patch cable like the one you would use between your pedals on your pedalboard. Take it out the output and put it into your direct box. That way you can get to voicing of the amp if you want it, or you could use it before the amp like you did but then you don't get the voicing of the amp
 
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shwashwa said:
For the 1000th time you don't need a transformer or adapter! Take a little patch cable like the one you would use between your pedals on your pedalboard. Take it out the output and put it into your direct box. That way you can get to voicing of the amp if you want it, or you could use it before the amp like you did but then you don't get the voicing of the amp
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Here goes 1,001.
;)

You need an adapter or a direct box. Either way you need something EXTRA.
:D
 
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