Any body know how to delete patches from the device, i have Guitar and bass units and vant work out how to get rid of tjs patches i dont use/dont want. Cant find anything on instructions.
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New: Zoom B3n Multi-Effects
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Is that the only way, ypu wpuld think you could just delete the whole patch in one hit.Select the patch you want to delete, push stomp mode, then enter menu and choose delete. Erase every effect on the patch one by one.
It's too bad there isn't a way on either the B3 or the B3n you can just do a system wipe and start with a completely clean slate.
Create a blank patch and use it to overwrite other patches
So I finally had some time to play around with my Zoom B3n and I am extremely impressed with just about every aspect of the unit. As I mentioned in my last post, my family bought me a BOSS GT-1B as a gift so it temporarily cooled my G.A.S. For the B3n.
I have to say that both units are impressive and tackle the bass signal chain differently. With the BOSS, the signal chain is approached from a more limited but tighter patch sensibility. By this I mean BOSS pretty much limits what effects and amps can go into a patch. For the most part, you can only use one type of effect per patch. The advantage of this method is you can create any patch you want within the confines of the BOSS unit. The ZOOM allows you to use pretty much any effect or Amp in any order. Each ZOOM patch has a set amount processing power per patch and each amp or effect will consume a certain amount of the overall processing power. Once the total power is reached, nothing more can be added to the patch. The advantage of this method is you can craft some crazy patches.
The BOSS has a much greater number of amps and effects and includes a built in expression pedal. The ZOOM has a smaller number of amps and effects but there will be more added as time goes on. You can add an external expression pedal but that is an additional expense.
The BOSS can be either battery powered or can be powered separate wall adapter which you can purchase separately. The ZOOM on the other hand can only be powered by an adapter. An adapter is included in the box so you don’t need to purchase one.
Both units have software packages however only the BOSS app can be used to edit patches although I suspect the ZOOM app will have this feature in a future update.
So, after all these points, what is my ultimate opinion as to which unit is better. Well, in my humble opinion, the ZOOM is the better of the two for the following reasons:
1) The interface on the ZOOM is so much better than that of the BOSS. It is easier to tweak your settings on the fly and switching between patches is easy.
2) The amp sims sound so much better on the ZOOM, especially the SVT.
3) The BOSS may have more effects but the ZOOM does a better job with these as well. I was particular impressed by the Darkglass stuff.
This is my opinion and your results might differ from mine. Personally even though I prefer the ZOOM, the BOSS is no slouch. I can see myself keeping both and using each when the need arises.
I have to say that both units are impressive and tackle the bass signal chain differently. With the BOSS, the signal chain is approached from a more limited but tighter patch sensibility. By this I mean BOSS pretty much limits what effects and amps can go into a patch. For the most part, you can only use one type of effect per patch. The advantage of this method is you can create any patch you want within the confines of the BOSS unit. The ZOOM allows you to use pretty much any effect or Amp in any order. Each ZOOM patch has a set amount processing power per patch and each amp or effect will consume a certain amount of the overall processing power. Once the total power is reached, nothing more can be added to the patch. The advantage of this method is you can craft some crazy patches.
The BOSS has a much greater number of amps and effects and includes a built in expression pedal. The ZOOM has a smaller number of amps and effects but there will be more added as time goes on. You can add an external expression pedal but that is an additional expense.
The BOSS can be either battery powered or can be powered separate wall adapter which you can purchase separately. The ZOOM on the other hand can only be powered by an adapter. An adapter is included in the box so you don’t need to purchase one.
Both units have software packages however only the BOSS app can be used to edit patches although I suspect the ZOOM app will have this feature in a future update.
So, after all these points, what is my ultimate opinion as to which unit is better. Well, in my humble opinion, the ZOOM is the better of the two for the following reasons:
1) The interface on the ZOOM is so much better than that of the BOSS. It is easier to tweak your settings on the fly and switching between patches is easy.
2) The amp sims sound so much better on the ZOOM, especially the SVT.
3) The BOSS may have more effects but the ZOOM does a better job with these as well. I was particular impressed by the Darkglass stuff.
This is my opinion and your results might differ from mine. Personally even though I prefer the ZOOM, the BOSS is no slouch. I can see myself keeping both and using each when the need arises.
This seems like the best option, its the only downside of these units to be fair, not haveing tnw abity to just remove the entire patch
I agree that both the Zoom and Boss pedals have a lot to offer at a very attractive price. Depending the needs of the user, one may be a better suited choice than the other. All good for us bassists, regardless.
Personally, I really like the simplicity of design of the Zoom pedals, and that they are very easy to adjust on-the-fly. If I'm looking for deep editing of parameters or to create whiz-bang sounds that allow for a lot of external pedal control options, I'm going to be using an entirely different, higher-end piece of gear, in a totally different league than either the B3n or the GT-1B.
Finally got to play through my Boss Gt-1B today. Initial impressions are mixed. Some warm tones, the classic OC-2 octaver, expression pedal were all good points but the sims seem a little flat compared to the Zoom B3n. I honestly haven't put much time into tweaking either. I'm gonna experiment with using both. I think by utilizing the best of the two combined I can come up with a pretty potent rig but the size may be more than I care to deal with.
Edit: I was also under the impression that I could assign all of the buttons as effects on/off switches. My oversight. Likely a deal breaker. This will likely go up for sale quickly.
This is a limitation of the standard GT-1B but I think you can achieve this with the purchase of a Boss two button switch. This switch is on my list but I haven't purchased it yet.
technically you can but you lose the patch changer switches in doing so. A FS-7 is a must, and well-worth getting! (don't forget to also order a TRS cable!)
Just loading new effects and patches to the G5n.
More importantly for this thread, based on recent history, this should mean new content for the B3n in the next couple of months.
- DIST Plus (MXR Distortion +)
- Zen O.DRV (Hermida Audio Zendrive)
- SlwAtkDly (slow attack pedal and delay combined)
- HoldVerb (two-slot pedal, sustains last sound when the right-hand footswitch for this model is held)
More importantly for this thread, based on recent history, this should mean new content for the B3n in the next couple of months.
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Band practice yesterday and I've put the new DIST Plus in my Hiwatt patch (clean) for a very gentle drive. Even too gentle... Maybe i should lower the clean signal or raise the gain just a litlle, but it worked well and think i will keep it in the chain.
Just another gig report here for this new Zoom stuff. Last night I again used the G5n for a rock/hard rock gig. During sound check, I copied my main patch and replaced the envelope filter effect (designed to emulate a fretless bass) for a more traditional porno bass auto-filter, and added a tremolo effect to my existing comp, drive, and pitch-shift chorus effects. No problems, easy as pie, and a couple of tweaks during the night had everything working as desired.
Our guitarist uses a Digitech whammy octave up sound, but his power supply was all mangled, so I let him use my B3n (carried as a backup pedal) and an expression pedal for that effect. Worked like a charm. I had created a set of 3 patches for just this purpose (Bypass; Wah; Whammy, with the Bypass patch gain matched) so that he could put the B3n in Bypass when the Whammy and Wah effects weren't being used. This allowed the guitarist to also ditch his Wah pedal and save him a little stage space (not to mention the Tuner).
Very happy with the quality of sound and flexibility of these "n" series pedals.
Our guitarist uses a Digitech whammy octave up sound, but his power supply was all mangled, so I let him use my B3n (carried as a backup pedal) and an expression pedal for that effect. Worked like a charm. I had created a set of 3 patches for just this purpose (Bypass; Wah; Whammy, with the Bypass patch gain matched) so that he could put the B3n in Bypass when the Whammy and Wah effects weren't being used. This allowed the guitarist to also ditch his Wah pedal and save him a little stage space (not to mention the Tuner).
Very happy with the quality of sound and flexibility of these "n" series pedals.
I really love the ZOOM B3n’s take on the SVT, it says in your profile you have an actual SVT, have you had a chance to compare the B3n and the real SVT?
Well, I've got the SVT sound irrevocably lodged in my brain from years of having gigged with my SVT Classic rig. I stopped using that rig for two reasons: 1) the obvious size/weight isses; 2) I found that my Fractal Audio AxeFx could replicate the sound of my SVT rig so closely that for all intents and purposes (on stage and in the audience), I no longer saw the benefit in gigging the SVT rig.
Though I was able to replicate the type of SVT tone in my head on the old Zoom B3, the tone was pretty much there but IMHO the B3 modeling processing was a bit stiff and lacked sonic "depth", for lack of a better term. It wasn't terribly obvious, but having used the real deal and then the high quality replications via the AxeFx, it was pretty obvious to me. I've found that the B3n SVT amp model is a big step forward and a definite improvement, though I think that the cabinet simulation is not as bright, tonally, as my SVT Classic 8x10. But this is pretty easily rectified using the various controls on the Cab Sim effect.
Let me put it to you this way: If I were to use the B3n SVT amp model (no cab sim), plugged into a worthy power amp, and then into my SVT 8x10 cabinet, I'd be hard pressed to be able to tell all that much of a difference from the real thing. I've done these tests over the course of many years, and this was true of the AxeFx and even the B3, previous to the B3n, and the reason why I had no issue moving on from the SVT. (I've actually sold off this rig. Blasphemy!
)Usually, the weakest link in the FRFR modeling process is the cabinet simulation (digital Impulse Response). You'd be amazed at really how good the digital amp models are for both guitar amps and bass amps, when run into a traditional speaker this way. What players usually struggle with is how the cabinet simulation sounds AND feels when listening via a full range rig designed for PA purposes, and not traditional bass/guitar amplification.
Full range flat response cabinets amplifying the sound of a bass amp modeling with cabinet simulation is essentially like being in a studio control room with a traditional bass rig mic'd up, and listening back via control room monitors. No doubt, the "feel" of the playing experience comparing that of a traditional bass cabinet, designed with specific tonal features to enhance specifically the bass guitar, is going to be a bit different than listening to a fully modeled bass rig via full range PA speakers.
Well, I've got the SVT sound irrevocably lodged in my brain from years of having gigged with my SVT Classic rig. I stopped using that rig for two reasons: 1) the obvious size/weight isses; 2) I found that my Fractal Audio AxeFx could replicate the sound of my SVT rig so closely that for all intents and purposes (on stage and in the audience), I no longer saw the benefit in gigging the SVT rig.
Though I was able to replicate the type of SVT tone in my head on the old Zoom B3, the tone was pretty much there but IMHO the B3 modeling processing was a bit stiff and lacked sonic "depth", for lack of a better term. It wasn't terribly obvious, but having used the real deal and then the high quality replications via the AxeFx, it was pretty obvious to me. I've found that the B3n SVT amp model is a big step forward and a definite improvement, though I think that the cabinet simulation is not as bright, tonally, as my SVT Classic 8x10. But this is pretty easily rectified using the various controls on the Cab Sim effect.
Let me put it to you this way: If I were to use the B3n SVT amp model (no cab sim), plugged into a worthy power amp, and then into my SVT 8x10 cabinet, I'd be hard pressed to be able to tell all that much of a difference from the real thing. I've done these tests over the course of many years, and this was true of the AxeFx and even the B3, previous to the B3n, and the reason why I had no issue moving on from the SVT. (I've actually sold off this rig. Blasphemy!
Usually, the weakest link in the FRFR modeling process is the cabinet simulation (digital Impulse Response). You'd be amazed at really how good the digital amp models are for both guitar amps and bass amps, when run into a traditional speaker this way. What players usually struggle with is how the cabinet simulation sounds AND feels when listening via a full range rig designed for PA purposes, and not traditional bass/guitar amplification.
Full range flat response cabinets amplifying the sound of a bass amp modeling with cabinet simulation is essentially like being in a studio control room with a traditional bass rig mic'd up, and listening back via control room monitors. No doubt, the "feel" of the playing experience comparing that of a traditional bass cabinet, designed with specific tonal features to enhance specifically the bass guitar, is going to be a bit different than listening to a fully modeled bass rig via full range PA speakers.
Thank you for the detailed answer. I Can’t to see what other Ampeg amps Zoom has planned for us!
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