Maybe, maybe not. Teams have been known to change their minds before. But my gut is saying he ends up staying in Baltimore (despite being insulted by their offer).
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NFL 2023-2024
- Thread starter mrpackerguy
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Lamar Jackson literally won the NFL MVP award a couple years ago.
After his rookie year, when he didn't start but 7 games, he averaged 200 yards per game passing, or about 3400 over a 17-game schedule. And another 70 yards rushing, or about 1200 for a full season. So that's 4600 total yards.In terms of efficiency, he finished #1, #7, #17, and #9 in QBR the past four years. And he's only 26 years old. True, he's an injury risk, having missed 5 games each of the past 2 seasons. In 2019, though, he sat out the final game before playing in the playoff game, and in 2020 he only missed a game due to Covid.
Would I pay him $50M a year? No. $40M, yes, just not fully guaranteed. It would be dependent on the number of games played. I would take him over Ridder, who's unproven, or Aaron Rodgers, who appears to be in decline and a headcase.
The NFL is awash in megabucks. Daniel Snyder is about to make BILLIONS (on top of previous profits) when he finally sells his team despite being grossly incompetent. The team won exactly one playoff game in 24 seasons with Snyder, burning through 10 coaches in that time and posting a 164-220-2 record. On top of that, he sexually harassed female employees, bullied male ones, and lied to the league about ticket sales. Just goes to show that buying an NFL team comes with zero risk.
So if the players want and can get more money, good for them.
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Their offer was $49M per year, isn’t that right? Lamar rejected that offer because he wanted over $200M guaranteed.
And (I’m going there so hold on tight) his production is very literally less than Daniel Jones. The only insult is that Eric DeCosta didn’t tell him. I do think Lamar got played because now no matter what happens the Ravens come out ahead. Only way Jackson ever gets the payday he thinks he is worth is if he plays a complete season with MVP production.
Which he won’t. Because his ceiling is 3,500 combined yards. Even if he stays healthy.
Lamar has missed 13 games in 4 1/2 seasons.
And his leadership is such that he skipped the playoffs as a negotiation tactic. That’s why he’s not getting that guarantee. DeCosta is no dummy.
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Players are asking for and getting the big bucks because the NFL is raking in billions because the TV networks are raking in billions from advertisers because fans are watching games and buying into their products. Who doesn't try to make as much as they can at their job?
He declined about $50M per year. That’s not on the Ravens. That’s on dum-dum not having an agent to tell him better.Lamar Jackson literally won the NFL MVP award a couple years ago.
In terms of efficiency, he finished #1, #7, #17, and #9 in QBR the past four years. And he's only 26 years old. True, he's an injury risk, having missed 5 games each of the past 2 seasons. In 2019, though, he sat out the final game before playing in the playoff game, and in 2020 he only missed a game due to Covid.
Would I pay him $50M a year? No. $40M, yes, just not fully guaranteed. It would be dependent on the number of games played. I would take him over Ridder, who's unproven, or Aaron Rodgers, who appears to be in decline and a headcase.
Lamar wanted a Deshawn Watson type contract which was a mistake and in all likelihood will never happen again in the NFL.
But, do you know why Watson got that deal? Aside from being shrewd and having a great agent in Mulegheta?
Because Watson put up over 4,800 passing yards and 444 rushing and 31 rushing 1st downs and 33 TD, only 7 interceptions in his last full season playing. That’s 1,000 more yards than LJ’s MVP peak. (That he’s declined is not relevant to previously signed contract).
Now compare to Jackson, first he has never played a whole season so you have to adjust to the fact that the team needs a ready backup. But except for that MVP year he hasn’t sniffed that level and he’s missed 11 games plus missing playoffs.
I’m not saying he isn’t good. I’m saying he’s $35M good, not $50M and 5 year guarantee good. Because the truth is the Ravens don’t know if Lamar can get his team over the hump.
Lamar could end up the 4th best QB in the AFC North before long.
For sure. If he decides to pout and hold out over the franchise tag deal, that'll make it certain.
He's 1-3 in the playoffs, hardly any kind of superstar that'll lead a team to a Super Bowl win. Good? Sure. Better than many? Yes. He won the MVP two years. OK, what about it? Last I checked, NFL contracts these days aren't based on what you did before, but what the player/agent thinks they can do later. Best days behind him? Yep. Are the Ravens doing the right thing? I totally think they are. As both sides often say, the NFL is a business, and this part of the game sucks sometimes. Colin Cowherd today compared it to a realtor having an open house for other realtors. This way the listing agent can have his/her peers come in and look around and provide feedback on the listing price, etc. The Ravens and Lamar now get a chance to see what value there is for Lamar.
If Daniel Jones can make $160,000,000 for showing up to an NFL game 16 times in a season, Lamar has nothing to worry about. He'll get paid.
-Mike
That’s just it. He could.
Or he could try to be a running back and get injured again, he’s 4 for 4 missing games every full season.
He is a big gamble and the more he makes the less his team can pay to support him. And the fact is he hasn’t gotten the Ravens past the divisional round. Maybe he will. But I think the Ravens were smart. They basically dared Lamar to get a bigger offer. And he won’t.
And they offered him massive money but he turned it down before the last season.
His running and his threat of running is a big advantage. But his passing is not that good. This is the year he needs to deliver.
Gaolee
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I think that was one of the factors that went into the Russell Wilson trade. The emergence of Geno Smith and high draft choices are outstanding icing on the cake. I would like to see Wilson do well again, but I want to see Smith win a Super Bowl, not Wilson.
Gaolee
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So when does Cleveland's ownership cash in and sell to a competent owner?
The Haslams just bought a big chunk of the Milwaukee Bucks.
Unfortunately my friend, the definition of competent we use is not the same as they use. This is a competent business investment, so they'll hold on to it as long as it makes them money. What happens on the field, the competent you and I, along with others in this thread care about doesn't matter.
-Mike
Gaolee
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There's that problem. Mayfield didn't pan out. That's OK. Watson won't pan out. That's stupid. I suppose it doesn't have any effect on what they can sell the wreckage for.
Yep, therein lies the rub. I totally agree that he's worth a lot of money. As do the Ravens. But wanting it fully guaranteed is the problem.Lamar Jackson literally won the NFL MVP award a couple years ago.
In terms of efficiency, he finished #1, #7, #17, and #9 in QBR the past four years. And he's only 26 years old. True, he's an injury risk, having missed 5 games each of the past 2 seasons. In 2019, though, he sat out the final game before playing in the playoff game, and in 2020 he only missed a game due to Covid.
Would I pay him $50M a year? No. $40M, yes, just not fully guaranteed. It would be dependent on the number of games played. I would take him over Ridder, who's unproven, or Aaron Rodgers, who appears to be in decline and a headcase.
The Jets seem like an odd place for Rodgers to go. They aren't any good, but perhaps at this point in his career he doesn't care about winning as much as getting paid.
-Mike
-Mike
The Jets have some talent, especially on defense. They finished in the top 5 in yards and points allowed. That said, I agree with you. I don't think Rodgers is at a point where he can carry an offense without great playmakers. He had a big statistical dropoff last year (#24 in QBR); while he may improve this year, I don't think he's elite anymore--yes, despite winning the MVP 2 years ago. He's going to be 40 before the season's over, and a lot of great players just fall off a cliff when Father Time catches them.
So that means, in the AFC East, the Jets with Rodgers would probably finish behind the Bills--as well as the Dolphins IF Tua is healthy. And the other team in the division is coached by Bill Belichick, so you can't count them out, either.
Lamar Jackson literally won the NFL MVP award a couple years ago.
In terms of efficiency, he finished #1, #7, #17, and #9 in QBR the past four years. And he's only 26 years old. True, he's an injury risk, having missed 5 games each of the past 2 seasons. In 2019, though, he sat out the final game before playing in the playoff game, and in 2020 he only missed a game due to Covid.
Would I pay him $50M a year? No. $40M, yes, just not fully guaranteed. It would be dependent on the number of games played. I would take him over Ridder, who's unproven, or Aaron Rodgers, who appears to be in decline and a headcase.
I think Lamar is an excellent player even though he’s a Raven
Surely he’s an upgrade to numerous teams.
EPL has “fit and proper” rules regarding team ownership which I think is then sanctioned by the UK Government
In the real world this means if you are a fit and proper person who can’t own a football team
In the real world this means if you are a fit and proper person who can’t own a football team
