NHL Regular Season 2017-18

[Picton]

Nope. Not buying that. When two TEAMS have played through a whole game and an overtime period with no clear winner, there is no reason to change the game from a TEAM sport to an individual skills competition. Either continue the game, or call it a draw.

No reason? Other than baseball, which drags on indefinitely,almost every major sport alters the rules for OT in some way.

I don't have a problem with draws either, but if the sport decides a draw can't happen... well, nobody has eight hours to invest in watching a hockey game.

 

[D M C]

No reason? Other than baseball, which drags on indefinitely,almost every major sport alters the rules for OT in some way.

I don't have a problem with draws either, but if the sport decides a draw can't happen... well, nobody has eight hours to invest in watching a hockey game.

Thankfully they don't settle tied football games with kickers kicking field goals. And, last I looked basketball also doesn't end in a tie. What other "major" sports are you talking about, NASCAR?

 

[grrg63]

I wish the Pens would have "grabbed" Grabner, thats what all the radio guys were talking about for the past couple days. GMJR must have an eye on someone else.

Update: JR got Brassard from OTT for 1st rd pick Gustavsson (G) and unfortunately, Ian Cole.
I like it, but I hate to see Cole go.
They're saying OTT will probably flip Cole.

 

[MJ5150]

I wish the Pens would have "grabbed" Grabner, thats what all the radio guys were talking about for the past couple days. GMJR must have an eye on someone else.

I heard it's Brassard.

-Mike

 

[Picton]

Thankfully they don't settle tied football games with kickers kicking field goals. And, last I looked basketball also doesn't end in a tie. What other "major" sports are you talking about, NASCAR?

Ah. The overtime rules in football are the same as normal?

So, a sudden-death TD can end the game at any point? Got it.

Golf playoffs, World Cup soccer, tiebreaks in tennis (other than the fifth set at Wimbledon, which can and has gone on over two days)... even basketball shortens the OT period. Rugby, same.

As long as the rule changes are consistent and everyone knows them going in... what's the problem? Don't like it, win in regulation.

 

[MJ5150]

Ah. The overtime rules in football are the same as normal?

So, a sudden-death TD can end the game at any point? Got it.

Golf playoffs, World Cup soccer, tiebreaks in tennis (other than the fifth set at Wimbledon, which can and has gone on over two days)... even basketball shortens the OT period. Rugby, same.

As long as the rule changes are consistent and everyone knows them going in... what's the problem? Don't like it, win in regulation.

NFL overtime rules are convoluted. Assuming you elect to receive the ball if you win the coin toss, it goes like this.....
If you win the coin toss and score a TD, you win.
If you win the coin toss and kick a FG, the other team is allowed to try too.
If the other team fails to score, you win.
If the other team scores a TD, they win.
If you both kick FG's, it becomes sudden death after the second FG.
If you win the coin toss and fail to score, the other team gets a chance.
If the other team gets a FG or TD, they win.
If you win the coin toss, and get nothing, then the other team gets nothing, it's sudden death from then on.

-Mike

 

[dwm74]

Update: JR got Brassard from OTT for 1st rd pick Gustavsson (G) and unfortunately, Ian Cole.
I like it, but I hate to see Cole go.
They're saying OTT will probably flip Cole.

My sentiments exactly. Hate to see Cole go...he was a warrior for the Pens, especially in the post-season these past two Cup-winning campaigns. But you gotta give something to get something, and I believe Brassard may be the answer.

 

[MJ5150]

Well, it looks like the Pens have taken the 'whoever scores last, wins' stance as the playoffs come into view. Unfortunately, playoff hockey isn't quite like that.
Brassard is a nice addition, but I have been of the opinion all season that offense is not the problem for the Pens.
Before I get too upset, I'll wait and see if Rutherford has another move up his sleeve.

-Mike

 

[Funky Ghost]

The Flyers have worked there way into sight... but will they continue to forget defense and forge ahead with the same thing you're talking about Mike? I sure hope not.

 

[DerekW]

Sens trade Derick (spelled incorrectly) Brassard to Pittsburgh.
Sens unloading salary, and Pens loading for a threepete. They've got some solid center depth now, yikes. This changes everything.

 

[DerekW]

Haha, didn't get notification that MJ had posted about Brassard.
Brassard is a solid 3rd line center, move Sheahan down to 4th, and that is a nice setup. Offense or not, being able to roll 4 is a huge thing come playoffs.

 

[DerekW]

Oh wait, rumors are the NHL rejected the trade. Something to do with how it's structured. Sounds like they have to trade him to Vegas, who then flip him to Pitts, salary retention/cap space stuff.
I don't do math well, so I won't even pretend to understand.

 

[MJ5150]

The Caps probably called to report it's unfair since they are the team of destiny. Or maybe it was the Lightning.....oh crap, the Pens are serious.

-Mike

 

[GoLeafsGo]

Ah. The overtime rules in football are the same as normal?

So, a sudden-death TD can end the game at any point? Got it.

Golf playoffs, World Cup soccer, tiebreaks in tennis (other than the fifth set at Wimbledon, which can and has gone on over two days)... even basketball shortens the OT period. Rugby, same.

As long as the rule changes are consistent and everyone knows them going in... what's the problem? Don't like it, win in regulation.

Other than "soccer", none of the examples you cited change a TEAM game to an individual skills competition. And no matter what you say, hockey is NOT an individual skill competition.

 

[GoLeafsGo]

NFL overtime rules are convoluted. Assuming you elect to receive the ball if you win the coin toss, it goes like this.....
If you win the coin toss and score a TD, you win.
If you win the coin toss and kick a FG, the other team is allowed to try too.
If the other team fails to score, you win.
If the other team scores a TD, they win.
If you both kick FG's, it becomes sudden death after the second FG.
If you win the coin toss and fail to score, the other team gets a chance.
If the other team gets a FG or TD, they win.
If you win the coin toss, and get nothing, then the other team gets nothing, it's sudden death from then on.

-Mike

Yes, and it still continues to be a TEAM competition, not an individual skills competition. Kind of like what the game really is.

 

[Picton]

Other than "soccer", none of the examples you cited change a TEAM game to an individual skills competition. And no matter what you say, hockey is NOT an individual skill competition.

Surely.

And no matter what you say, hockey IS an individual skill competition during the SO.

Again, if this was a brand-new rule, or unheard-of, or different from hockey's most-similar sister sport (soccer), I'd understand the angst. But shootouts have been an established part of the game for years. If the players really didn't like it, they'd have voted with their feet and become baseball players.

It's the way the rules say ties are broken, hurt feelings aside.

 

[MJ5150]

Oh wait, rumors are the NHL rejected the trade. Something to do with how it's structured. Sounds like they have to trade him to Vegas, who then flip him to Pitts, salary retention/cap space stuff.
I don't do math well, so I won't even pretend to understand.

Reaves and Cole gone for Brassard. Center depth but the Pens lost two reliable players from an already weak defense. Maatta continues to underwhelm, and Hunwick? No comment.
Vegas came into the mix as that is where Reaves landed.
I officially change my opinion on this trade to...it's a dumb move. Finding out Reaves was part of the deal ruined it for me.

Time to get me a Vegas cap.

-Mike

 

[DerekW]

Reaves and Cole gone for Brassard. Center depth but the Pens lost two reliable players from an already weak defense. Maatta continues to underwhelm, and Hunwick? No comment.
Vegas came into the mix as that is where Reaves landed.
I officially change my opinion on this trade to...it's a dumb move. Finding out Reaves was part of the deal ruined it for me.

Time to get me a Vegas cap.

-Mike

Vegas helped the deal go through by retaining 40% of Brassard's salary (Fleury payback?). So they're trying to help you.
But I gotta admit, trading 2 defensemen in the stretch like this is odd. Maybe Rutherford has something up his sleeve for Karlsson, Green or McDonagh?

 

[grrg63]

Pens sent Reaves to VGK to clear some cap space. They didnt seem to miss him as they were cleaning Carolina's clock tonight. Its not like he would have gotten many minutes in the playoffs anyway.

 

[Selta]

Vegas helped the deal go through by retaining 40% of Brassard's salary (Fleury payback?). So they're trying to help you.
But I gotta admit, trading 2 defensemen in the stretch like this is odd. Maybe Rutherford has something up his sleeve for Karlsson, Green or McDonagh?

I like Karlsson, and perhaps with the Pens seemingly want to load up on the offensive side of things, his forward-D style of play would be a fit in their system. McDonagh would be nice too... I'm not familiar enough with Green.