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Official ATK Club (Part 3)

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I finally get my bass back today after the crazy ride it has been on. I can't wait to start actually playing around with it.

I know this is probably in the (three) threads dedicated to the ATK, but I would like to ask members personally. Are there any settings you really like to use with the ATK. This is my first Active bass, so I want to know some of your favorite settings and what kind of music you are playing while using these settings. I think it would help me out a lot. If you could just tell me where you have the Treb/Mid/Bass knobs turned it would be great!
 
I finally get my bass back today after the crazy ride it has been on. I can't wait to start actually playing around with it.

I know this is probably in the (three) threads dedicated to the ATK, but I would like to ask members personally. Are there any settings you really like to use with the ATK. This is my first Active bass, so I want to know some of your favorite settings and what kind of music you are playing while using these settings. I think it would help me out a lot. If you could just tell me where you have the Treb/Mid/Bass knobs turned it would be great!

I hate to be "that guy" but its flat. :) I dont do much tweaking, im not much of a knob twiddler. I almost always play in attack mode, flat. on one of my atks, the one set up for tapping, I set it to bright mode, and boost the treble some. sometimes on slower songs Ill hit on the body of the bass lightly repeatedly to get the notes versus plucking the string, and Ill boost bass to get more body out of it, similar to a pad on a keyboard. thats just me though.
 
Dallas852 said:
This is my first Active bass, so I want to know some of your favorite settings and what kind of music you are playing while using these settings.
My little Eden rig is on the warm side, so I'll sometimes grab a bit of treble boost on the ATK, instead of reaching back to the amp.

I sometimes boost the mids slightly from flat, if I want to sit a little more forward in the mix, without raising my volume too much or getting all bright and grindy.

The treble control is very useful. Dialing it back while the pickup is in bright mode, gives a fairly dark sound without losing the growl. With it boosted about 50-75% from flat, and with a bit of extra bass, I get a good Stingray stadium-rock tone from the Attack mode. The treble boost is also nice for putting some zing and fret noise into the Traditional setting, on slow ballads.

Rolling off a touch of bass is handy for emphasizing the growl when I'm feeling punky. I have to say this is the first long scale bass I've ever had, where I've felt like cutting the bass was even an option. This is one ballsy mother...
 
My rig is warmer too....probably dull by most standards.
I use a ton of gain and OD pedals....so I don't use a tweeter and back off some upper mids and high end on my 800RB....otherwise it can get fizzy or harsh.

Anyway, I jammed on my ATK tonight at rehearsal....and was really digging the tone.

I usually was running the single mod without the treble cut.....with a touch of low boost.

Tonight I was digging the HB mode with a touch of low boost and a touch of high cut.

Really tight grind.....wow......really great tone.
I also really find the EQ controls very focused. As in when you want less treble.....the treble control is focused on the right frequencies, same with the mid and bass controls.
 
I have few favorite settings! I play with flatwounds (D'addario Chromes)

1. Traditional mode (''P'' style) - 3 settings:

Oldschool/vintage tone

Bass - 3 o'clock
Mid - 3 o'clock
Tre - 10 o'clock

Paul Turner (''P'' bass ; Runaway - Abbey Road)

Bass - 3 o'clock
Mid - 3 o'clock
Tre - 2 o'clock

Steve Harris

Bass - 1 o'clock
Mid - 4 o'clock
Tre - 3 o'clock


2. Attack mod (''SR'' style) - 2 settings:

Bernard Edward

Bass - 3 o'clock
Mid - 4 o'clock
Tre - 9 o'clock


Flea

Bass - 3 o'clock
Mid - 12 o'clock
Tre - 2 o'clock

:bassist::bassist::bassist:
 
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Anyone tried to put ''P'' pickup on their ATK?

I might do that, I think it is killer combination! :bassist:

Been there, checked it out. Basically, the stock ATK pickup is in the traditional MM position, which means that it half-covers the traditional P position.

Your options are therefore limited:
1. You can install a P-bass pickup at least a half-pickup-width closer to the neck than normal.
2. You can make room for the P-bass pickup in the traditional position by enlarging the stock pickup route, and moving the ATK pickup back towards the bridge a bit.

The second option is fairly involved.

First, there's the bridge. The lip that surrounds the pickup on the ATK bridge plate is in the way. So you'd either have to convert to a conventional bridge, or cut the leading edge of the existing bridge plate. I came up with an alternate pickguard shape that would work in that application- there's a pic on the two pickup thread.

Second, there's the pickguard and existing pickup rout. With the ATK pickup moved out of the way, the new P-bass pickup would be sitting half over an open bathtub rout. One fix for this would be to extend the pickup route a little further forward, and use a P-bass voiced soapbar pickup of EMG 40-series dimensions. Another would be to simply bang a regular P-bass split pickup in there, and cover the unsightly gaps with a new pickguard.

The consensus is, that the ATK sound would be harmed by moving the stock pickup closer to the bridge. So option #1 probably makes far more sense. The P-bass pickup would sound a little fatter than normal in its new position, but that's not the end of the world, since you have the ATK pickup to provide some zing when needed.

Electronically, you'd have a couple of options:
1. Precision p'up wired to a stock P-bass wiring harness, with a two-position switch right before the output jack, to select between passive P and active ATK operation. No blends possible, and there's likely be a healthy jump in level between the two modes. There's room in the stock cavity for the extra controls.

1a. Ditto, but both sides active, with some sort of booster preamp to match levels (I've used the EMG PA-2 booster in the past, with decent results).

2. Precision pickup wired to the input of the ATK preamp through a 3-way switch, Gibson style. No individual volume controls for the pickups, blend fixed, and controlled by pickup height.

3. Add a vol/vol wiring harness or a blend pot between the two pickups and the input to the ATK preamp.

Based on my experiments so far, options 2 and 3 will have some unusual interactions between the pickups, because the second pickup "sees" the filter contained in the ATK character switch. The blend sounds good on some character switch positions, not so good on others, and the result is dependent on how the pickup heights are set.

This is why I'm intending to try out a 4th option: inserting the new EMG ABC active blend pot between the pickups and the ATK preamp. It has an active buffer on each input, so the pickups would be isolated from each other.

In the end, my two-pickup experiment took a different tack. With Jamie Funk's help, I dropped a second ATK pickup into the "woofer" pickup position, like on an old Gibson bass, or Billy Sheehan's Yamahas. Easy to do, because the new rout is covered by the stock pickguard...

The experiment continues (stalled at the moment by a lack of funds), but early indications are that twin ATK pickups in the woofer and Ray positions sound pretty good, but not P-bassish at all.

If I was doing it over, I might have tried a Warwick double-buck setup- Two ATK pickups, set very close together, wired to an EMG blend pot.

Anyway, for pictures, etc., of my two pickup experiment, go to this thread:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f38/716577-atk305-second-pickup-options.html
 
I would like to ask members personally. Are there any settings you really like to use with the ATK.

I hate to be "that guy" but its flat. :) I dont do much tweaking, im not much of a knob twiddler. I almost always play in attack mode, flat.

Yeah, me too, to the extent that I use the ATKs I have. I would be perfectly happy if they were passives with on/off switches, frankly. Not a fan of active basses unless they are necessary to run a piezo pickup or some other extenuating circumstance.

Some of the switch settings, IIRC, are just treble-cut/not with bleeder capacitors.

With Link Removed, I really didn't find that the switch positions are even substantially audible.

Biggest problem I find is that it's hard to get the ATK to even sound like a bass with those Elixir (or any other brand) of rounds on it...but this will get me into yet another argument about geek-bass sound v. traditional bass sound. [sigh!] :(

Drastically cutting the treble and boosting the bass helps, but it's artificial-sounding.

Flats would help, but I'm probably just going to dump the basses eventually.
 
My vote is get rid of those elixirs. try out some DR strings. try some SS hi-beams and some nickel sunbeams. obviously break em in if you dont like the zing. but at least for me the zing of new hi-beams is still so much more musical than the "clank" of elixirs. when you find your perfect string you might change your mind about the bass


Yeah, me too, to the extent that I use the ATKs I have. I would be perfectly happy if they were passives with on/off switches, frankly. Not a fan of active basses unless they are necessary to run a piezo pickup or some other extenuating circumstance.

Some of the switch settings, IIRC, are just treble-cut/not with bleeder capacitors.

With Link Removed, I really didn't find that the switch positions are even substantially audible.

Biggest problem I find is that it's hard to get the ATK to even sound like a bass with those Elixir (or any other brand) of rounds on it...but this will get me into yet another argument about geek-bass sound v. traditional bass sound. [sigh!] :(

Drastically cutting the treble and boosting the bass helps, but it's artificial-sounding.

Flats would help, but I'm probably just going to dump the basses eventually.
 
when you find your perfect string you might change your mind about the bass
String-chasing is possibly the most miserable thing about playing bass, and I'm dead serious. I absolutely hate it, beyond words.

On guitars, string choice is negligible; on bass it's life and death, and a constant, expensive battle.

Either the strings don't fit the bass properly (which they usually don't, with an improper voiced length of the E for your bass), or they sound horrible and feel horrible.

My EBMM sounds pretty good with flats, though fit is problematic, but I haven't tried it on the ATKs. Maybe eventually. :hmm:
 
Been there, checked it out. Basically, the stock ATK pickup is in the traditional MM position, which means that it half-covers the traditional P position.

Your options are therefore limited:
1. You can install a P-bass pickup at least a half-pickup-width closer to the neck than normal.
2. You can make room for the P-bass pickup in the traditional position by enlarging the stock pickup route, and moving the ATK pickup back towards the bridge a bit.

The second option is fairly involved.

First, there's the bridge. The lip that surrounds the pickup on the ATK bridge plate is in the way. So you'd either have to convert to a conventional bridge, or cut the leading edge of the existing bridge plate. I came up with an alternate pickguard shape that would work in that application- there's a pic on the two pickup thread.

Second, there's the pickguard and existing pickup rout. With the ATK pickup moved out of the way, the new P-bass pickup would be sitting half over an open bathtub rout. One fix for this would be to extend the pickup route a little further forward, and use a P-bass voiced soapbar pickup of EMG 40-series dimensions. Another would be to simply bang a regular P-bass split pickup in there, and cover the unsightly gaps with a new pickguard.

The consensus is, that the ATK sound would be harmed by moving the stock pickup closer to the bridge. So option #1 probably makes far more sense. The P-bass pickup would sound a little fatter than normal in its new position, but that's not the end of the world, since you have the ATK pickup to provide some zing when needed.

Electronically, you'd have a couple of options:
1. Precision p'up wired to a stock P-bass wiring harness, with a two-position switch right before the output jack, to select between passive P and active ATK operation. No blends possible, and there's likely be a healthy jump in level between the two modes. There's room in the stock cavity for the extra controls.

1a. Ditto, but both sides active, with some sort of booster preamp to match levels (I've used the EMG PA-2 booster in the past, with decent results).

2. Precision pickup wired to the input of the ATK preamp through a 3-way switch, Gibson style. No individual volume controls for the pickups, blend fixed, and controlled by pickup height.

3. Add a vol/vol wiring harness or a blend pot between the two pickups and the input to the ATK preamp.

Based on my experiments so far, options 2 and 3 will have some unusual interactions between the pickups, because the second pickup "sees" the filter contained in the ATK character switch. The blend sounds good on some character switch positions, not so good on others, and the result is dependent on how the pickup heights are set.

This is why I'm intending to try out a 4th option: inserting the new EMG ABC active blend pot between the pickups and the ATK preamp. It has an active buffer on each input, so the pickups would be isolated from each other.

In the end, my two-pickup experiment took a different tack. With Jamie Funk's help, I dropped a second ATK pickup into the "woofer" pickup position, like on an old Gibson bass, or Billy Sheehan's Yamahas. Easy to do, because the new rout is covered by the stock pickguard...

The experiment continues (stalled at the moment by a lack of funds), but early indications are that twin ATK pickups in the woofer and Ray positions sound pretty good, but not P-bassish at all.

If I was doing it over, I might have tried a Warwick double-buck setup- Two ATK pickups, set very close together, wired to an EMG blend pot.

Anyway, for pictures, etc., of my two pickup experiment, go to this thread:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f38/716577-atk305-second-pickup-options.html

I can vouch for the massive tone on Steve's double-pickup ATK - a very cool experiment I'm glad to have been a small part of.

And Steve, I may be able to help fund your active blend addition, as my current franken bass needs to undergo a "Doublebuck" conversion I'll be paying you to help me with :)

J
 
GAHHHH. my ibanez signature would be an ATK305 koa...

Frankly, If I never see another veneered top on an instrument again in my life, it'll be too soon.

I bought the ATKs about six months before I finally sat down and had a long talk with myself about the tackiness of furniture basses.

Interestingly, there seems to be a slow but general diminution of this fad in the marketplace.

My ideal would be an ATK750 with a nice two-piece ash body and a slight tint.
 
Frankly, If I never see another veneered top on an instrument again in my life, it'll be too soon.

I bought the ATKs about six months before I finally sat down and had a long talk with myself about the tackiness of furniture basses.

Interestingly, there seems to be a slow but general diminution of this fad in the marketplace.

haha, thats why we have so many different choices as bass players! to each his own :)
 
Frankly, If I never see another veneered top on an instrument again in my life, it'll be too soon.

I bought the ATKs about six months before I finally sat down and had a long talk with myself about the tackiness of furniture basses.

Interestingly, there seems to be a slow but general diminution of this fad in the marketplace.

My ideal would be an ATK750 with a nice two-piece ash body and a slight tint.

i don't think they are tacky. I can't afford one, but different strokes for different folks. And that slowdown just might be a byproduct of the economy.

Music is art, and I don't see anything wrong with using a nice piece of artwork to make a nice work of art! :cool:
 
String-chasing is possibly the most miserable thing about playing bass, and I'm dead serious. I absolutely hate it, beyond words.

On guitars, string choice is negligible; on bass it's life and death, and a constant, expensive battle.

Either the strings don't fit the bass properly (which they usually don't, with an improper voiced length of the E for your bass), or they sound horrible and feel horrible.

My EBMM sounds pretty good with flats, though fit is problematic, but I haven't tried it on the ATKs. Maybe eventually. :hmm:

FWIW, I'm running DR highbeams on my 750Koa, and Chromes on my 700. IMO, the chromes are a good match for the ATK, if you like flats. The Elixers that came on my 300 actually sound pretty good...but that's not typical, all of my other experience with them has been bad.

As far as setting go, I too tend to start flat, and adjust a little depending on the sound I'm after, with the amp I'm running through. I have noticed that I usually start with by adding or cutting bass and mids. My treble usually stays pretty close to flat or cut. I never cut the bass and boost the treble....
 
Bongolation....I voice my distaste for EBMM products as you do for our beloved ATK's.
Difference between you and I is that I sold my Stingrays....it's past due the time you should have sold yours.
I'm sure someone would appreciate them for what they are.

I also don't see all the sense in talking about adding P Bass pickups and doing extensive modifications....ya want a dead on P Bass tone....get a P Bass.
Adding a single coil, as what's offered on the 750 and the new Prestige makes sense as it's not that invasive and it's extremely useful.
Veneer tops suit a cosmetic purpose....I'm not into the coffee table look but it's well done on my 750...and yours as well.
If the bass suits you but that quilt maple is drivin' you up the wall.....Refinish it to suit your discriminating taste, or as I mentioned ...sell it and avoid them like the plague in the future.
Personally, I prefer every tone that my 750 gets me close to.
I get a warmer Stingray tone...a ballsier Jazz Bass tone ... A P Bass tone with more articulation.

My string of choice is DR Lowriders but I've been using the Elixers for the better part.
I get waaaay more life out of 'em,
I don't care for 'em when I first put a set on as the high end sounds a bit muted, but they open up after they've been played a bit....I do like the feel and tension of the Elixers, though.

My ATK 750 is the most "do it all" bass I've ever owned...if you can't cover everything you need to with one....it aint the bass.
If you have the need to extensively modify it... :hmm:
 
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