Official Barefaced Bass Cab Club

[MTN.bass72]

Wow, is this going to take a weird turn. I, too, have a fEARful 12/6 that I'm selling.

It keeps up with all the drummers I've played live with. I played one studio session with David Prater on drums, and I could feel his bass through two walls. Always an exception.

Thanks so much!
Yep, always an exception

Now back to the regularly scheduled threas

 

[Marty Forrer]

Haha... I recently bought a Super Midget because I'm a doubler, but I find I don't really need the tweeter. I have a Fearful 12/6 but although it's not that heavy, the shape of it and placement of the handles is not good for my crumbling vertebrae and bulging disc. Turns out the SM is just as good as the Fearful, but lighter and a one hand lift. So.... I took the Eminence 3012LF out of the 12/6 and made a cab like the SM, but minus the tweeter. Holy Moses! cranked the SM and the copy up with a GK MB500 and P bass, and haven't seen the cat for two days! The next door neighbour came over, thought I'd blown up a gas cylinder.... LOL! So, now I have a 12/6 sitting in the shed minus its 12" driver.....

 

[CharlieC]

Question: Armed with a P-Bass against a hard-hitting drummer, which single cabinet would best hang (for SPL) and why: BB2 or Two 10?

Cheers!

 

[Pbassmanca]

Question: Armed with a P-Bass against a hard-hitting drummer, which single cabinet would best hang (for SPL) and why: BB2 or Two 10?

Cheers!

Sometimes you just have to use the P bass to hit the drummer to stop him from hitting so hard, and then it doesn't matter which cabinet you use. My favourite drummer's are the ones who can keep a steady tempo at any volume!

 

[monsterthompson]

Question: Armed with a P-Bass against a hard-hitting drummer, which single cabinet would best hang (for SPL) and why: BB2 or Two 10?

Cheers!

Probably the BB2. I've had the SC and the Two10 and found them to work about equally well in my jam sessions with an unrestrained drummer, where I use a Nash P and a Demeter VTBP 800D. My BB2 works as well in the same setting, and it probably has more available than the SC. It can probably better it in low end extension, if you want the deeper lows. It gives you the compression driver, which could give you more cut, if you want it. The Two10 is going to have less in the deep lows, by design, and some eq voice in the mids, which Alex has hinted is a scoop more than a boost.

To be fair, I've never had both cabs side by side and pushed them in a shootout. The Two10 will probably sound a bit better (to my ears) but my feeling is that the BB2 will take more watts (if you can feed them with your amp) and push more SPL. Obviously there is an 8 ohm cab vs. a 12 or 4 ohm cab issue. I think I'd still bet on the BB2.

 

[monsterthompson]

Thanks, Monster!

For a more-level playing field, perhaps my question would be SC or Two 10 in the same scenario? (as to leave the compression driver out of the picture)

I think that's a better comparison. I'd still go with the SC, based on my experience. Again, I never compared the two directly. I played both cabs using the same head, with useable results. Obviously, you'd need a 1,600 w rated amp to push the recommended 800w handling limit of the BB2. The 4 ohm Two10 will be more practical for getting all the watts out of a class D head. The wording in the BF site seems a bit more cautionary about pushing the Two10 with 800w. I'm not sure how noticeable the speaker overdrive will be as you approach the max of the Two10, but I'd think the cleaner sound of the SC will help it sound clearer when pushed, which might feel louder.

 

[mikew31]

Loud. Punchy. I'm someone who intentionally sought out the SC because I've always ended up turning tweeters down/off.

I've been saving for a second SC, and I'm almost there, but to be honest...it would just be for show. I've played 5 gigs with this combo so far, and there hasn't been one where the cab showed any signs of distress, nor was lacking for stage volume.

Very similar story for me. I got an SC because I would never need or want a tweeter. I played several gigs with one SC paired with my GB Streamliner 900 and it more than held up in a loud rock band with drums, 2 guitars, and keys. The rest of the band could hear me better than ever before. I occasionally had problems because the cab is so small and my legs don't have ears I got a second SC and the sound is glorious! My bass sound is so full and there is a depth now that is so satisfying. I never have problems hearing myself on stage - the other instruments, maybe, but not me. The second SC is not for show. To paraphrase an old saying, if one is good, 2 is twice as good! With the 2 SCs this saying has never been more true!

 

[Tugboat]

Interesting Apples/Oranges/Bananas cab shootout this morning. The little guy may have been at a slight disadvantage but he didn't get bullied either.

 

[mmbongo]

Interesting Apples/Oranges/Bananas cab shootout this morning. The little guy may have been at a slight disadvantage but he didn't get bullied either.

Nice!

 

[BigEarl]

Okay, here is a question for Alex or any other speaker guru here. This is a question regarding how to wire a 4 ohm Two10 to a pair of 8 ohm One10's to make a powerhouse 8 ohm 410 in a vertical array (stacked one on top of the other.)

Alex as said in past correspondence (on and off TB) that a little creative wiring will achieve the desired result. However, no one has actually shown what that cabling would look like. So here is my feeble attempt to flesh this out.
Of course series and parallel will come into play, and I'm not sure how the Two10 is internally wired, but would it even matter? All the amp is looking for is two 4ohm circuits wired in series to make 8 ohms, correct?

Also the green wire is simply the bridge to connect the "-" of one circuit to the "+" of the other to make the series complete. Pardon my "schematically-challenged" diagram...

Comments of the wiring are greatly welcome, snide comments on my lack of artistic skillz not so much. Besides, as Dr. McCoy would say "I'm a bassist not a draftsman!"

 

[Tugboat]

Just get an amp that does 2 ohms.

 

[MOSCOWBASS]

Normal speakon cable joining the 2 110s. Thats your 4 ohm load. Then a series speakon cable connection from one of the 110s to the 210 and the amp?

 

[Tugboat]

It's the total load that matters, not the order of the chain.

 

[Rev. Cornelius]

Okay, here is a question for Alex or any other speaker guru here. This is a question regarding how to wire a 4 ohm Two10 to a pair of 8 ohm One10's to make a powerhouse 8 ohm 410 in a vertical array (stacked one on top of the other.)

Alex as said in past correspondence (on and off TB) that a little creative wiring will achieve the desired result. However, no one has actually shown what that cabling would look like. So here is my feeble attempt to flesh this out.
Of course series and parallel will come into play, and I'm not sure how the Two10 is internally wired, but would it even matter? All the amp is looking for is two 4ohm circuits wired in series to make 8 ohms, correct?

Also the green wire is simply the bridge to connect the "-" of one circuit to the "+" of the other to make the series complete. Pardon my "schematically-challenged" diagram...

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Comments of the wiring are greatly welcome, snide comments on my lack of artistic skillz not so much. Besides, as Dr. McCoy would say "I'm a bassist not a draftsman!"

It looks like you have the (-) of 1 4ohm load wired to the (-) of the other 4ohm load. Parallel/Series wiring would have the (+) out of the amp to 1 (parallel) 4ohm load. The (-) of parallel load 1 goes to the (+) of parallel 4 ohm load 2 . The (-) of parallel load 2 goes to the (-) on the amp. If I remember correctly.

And the correct quote would have been, "Dammit Jim, I'm a bassist not a draftsman."

 

[Cuzzie]

@CharlieC i know you have a Two Notes, but what amp do you have and how much wattage?
What music are you playing and what do you want to achieve?
There are more than just those cabs as for example I have a Supertwin Gen 3 which goes very loud!

 

[CharlieC]

@CharlieC i know you have a Two Notes, but what amp do you have and how much wattage?
What music are you playing and what do you want to achieve?
There are more than just those cabs as for example I have a Supertwin Gen 3 which goes very loud!

Thank you, Cuzzie!

No worries. With GAS hitting hard, I am simply curious about the SPL abilities of 2 x 10CR taking on a single 12XN. No other equipment considerations need yet factor at this time.

Cheers!

 

[Tim1]

Okay, here is a question for Alex or any other speaker guru here. This is a question regarding how to wire a 4 ohm Two10 to a pair of 8 ohm One10's to make a powerhouse 8 ohm 410 in a vertical array (stacked one on top of the other.)

Alex as said in past correspondence (on and off TB) that a little creative wiring will achieve the desired result. However, no one has actually shown what that cabling would look like. So here is my feeble attempt to flesh this out.
Of course series and parallel will come into play, and I'm not sure how the Two10 is internally wired, but would it even matter? All the amp is looking for is two 4ohm circuits wired in series to make 8 ohms, correct?

Also the green wire is simply the bridge to connect the "-" of one circuit to the "+" of the other to make the series complete. Pardon my "schematically-challenged" diagram...

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Comments of the wiring are greatly welcome, snide comments on my lack of artistic skillz not so much. Besides, as Dr. McCoy would say "I'm a bassist not a draftsman!"

Using my two One 10s with my 8 ohm Four 10 I simply made a series lead for the One 10s and connected them to the amp in parallel for a simple 4 ohm Six 10cab. I realise of course that your Two 10 is 4 ohms. I would have to say that it sounds huge but unfortunately I have not needed it yet at a gig as the Four 10 alone covers just about any enclosed space. Alex is right, a little creative wiring and you have some incredible modular options with the 10 range.

 

[Marty Forrer]

Tim, wouldn't the two One10s in series be 16 ohms? How do you work out the 4 ohm load for the 6x10?

 

[Cuzzie]

@CharlieC no worries bro.

What I would say is that the 210's have more of a retro coloured feel to their tone and are great cabs.

Best thing about the 210 is you could go modular.

You can create a 210 with 2 x 110 speakers, or get a 210 and add another 110 if you need to.

My Supertwin is of course a 212 and it suits me for what in play which is mainly rock type stuff with a bloody loud amp.

@alexclaber is always happy to answer questions and I would email him. He was brilliant with me making a decision

 

[Tim1]

Tim, wouldn't the two One10s in series be 16 ohms? How do you work out the 4 ohm load for the 6x10?

Hi Marty, correct but it is the same configuration as in the Six 10 cabinet I believe, and I think the tens are a nominal 8 ohms. but closer to 6 ohms? The Four 10 is 8 ohms which must be connected series/parallel and since the Barefaced 610 is rated 4 ohms in what I assume is again series/parallel then I am calling my configuration 4 ohms (since it is the same as in the Six 10). Suppose I could put the meter on it but that does not take into account cabinet effect on acoustic resistance etc.
If you can follow my logic.......................
This (speaker ohmage) was all thrashed out earlier in the thread to everyone's satisfaction, so I don't want to open up a can of worms over what is a non-issue.
Must pop over and hear your Super Compact too.
EDIT: Just popped out to the shed with a cheapmultimeter . The Four 10 reads 6 ohms. Each One 10 reads 6 ohms. The two One 10s in series read 12 ohms. The two One 10s in series and connected in parallel with the Four 10 read about 4 ohms. IIRC this is consistent with earlier conversations with Alex confirming the ten is about 6 ohms electrically but I believe when you add in the cabinet resistance etc. his ratings are accurate. Either way each speaker in my 610 configuration gets the same power.
On a related note, I am glad I did this. Out of curiosity I did the old 9 volt battery trick to check polarity and my home made series cable had it reversed - I thought I was beyond such stupidity. Anyway, I fixed it so no doubt it will sound even more impressive. I have not gigged the 610 configuration yet, just tried it in the sound room - I like to think that I would have noticed on a gig