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#8,461
I don't like tweeters personally, so with the 10" cabs I find I can dial in plenty of high end for my needs/desires. I tend to go for slightly overdriven, raunchy tones ala a raging SVT.

I got my WD800 last Friday after preordering it from Sweetwater. I had a 40 minute set to play at an old theater with my Black Sabbath tribute band that night. I brought both the WD800 and D800+ (which I had been using since May) to run through my Four10. The D800+ never came out of the car. The WD800 killed with the Four10 cab....with the adjustable dampening it "felt" like I had a tube amp running behind me. And even without a bright switch, there is plenty of high end to dial in with both the treble eq as well as the adjustable parametric. IMO it is a great combo, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what I can coax out of it.
 
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grimmchaos said:
I don't like tweeters personally, so with the 10" cabs I find I can dial in plenty of high end for my needs/desires. I tend to go for slightly overdriven, raunchy tones ala a raging SVT.

I got my WD800 last Friday after preordering it from Sweetwater. I had a 40 minute set to play at an old theater with my Black Sabbath tribute band that night. I brought both the WD800 and D800+ (which I had been using since May) to run through my Four10. The D800+ never came out of the car. The WD800 killed with the Four10 cab....with the adjustable dampening it "felt" like I had a tube amp running behind me. And even without a bright switch, there is plenty of high end to dial in with both the treble eq as well as the adjustable parametric. IMO it is a great combo, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what I can coax out of it.
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Awesome report, I'm leaning towards a Two10s instead of my BB2 now I think It sounds so good with the One10. I just got the BB2...:cool:
 
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Lowendtech said:
PF50T won't do 2 ohms so you'd need the newer switchable ones and run @ 6 ohms I'm guessing.
I haven't had the opportunity to play the PF50T and Two10 with the band yet so I don't know how loud it'll be but the rig seems really punchy at home. (Mine's a 4 Ohm cab). It gets the house vibrating pretty darn good.
If'n I need more oomph, I'll try my Super Twin.
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I don't play in super loud band so thinking 2x210 @6 ohms should work fine at 50 watts.

I contacted Alex and he said I can install the switchable loom on my 4ohm cab.

I had the best sound ever at my last gig with 800+ tho. I've been experimenting with controls and moving away from bedroom tone to cleaner brighter tone. Rig still sounds "sweet" when brightend up.

Edit: HPF on 800+ has really improved sound as well. Really surprised at how effective it is, as opposed to turning down bass knob.
 
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Lowendtech said:
The only use I'd have for 12 ohm is if I had the 8 Ohm Four10 and I could combine them for a modular 610.
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^^^ This: I do have an 8ohm Four10, and having the switchable impedance on the Two10 is fantastic, I can (and occasionally do) run the whole thing as a 6x10. As @CalBuzz51 plans to do, a tube amp sounds especially good through that (or the Two10S or the Four10), the Ampeg PF50 pairs fairly well though I like the Fender SuperBassman a bit better. Any amp sounds good through them, not just tube heads. I also like @chris_b 's info regarding using two Two10S's together, running at 12ohms each. So IMO the switchability offers a lot of advantages.

That said, the Two10S alone I run at 4 ohms and it covers SO much, that's usually all I need. If you never plan to pair your Two10 with another cab, then a fixed 4ohm will be a fantastic one-cab solution to many gigs. I'd pay a bit more for the versatility though... and did.
 
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Something I've been curious about: Anyone run their Two10s at 12 ohms as a single cab, with a higher powered amp? Or has a fixed 12ohm Two10 that they use alone?

Seems like a lot of guitar amps have higher impedences...

Is there any difference other than sound output level (i.e., tonally, dynamically, etc) in your experience?

I tried it for a gig and was busy enough not to focus on that, so I didn't really notice much other than volume.. but not sure if there was some kind of natural compression going on with that high impedance, it almost seemed a little compressed in sound. Experiences? Conjectures? Physics lecture? Would appreciate any feedback.
 
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nostatic said:
How much top end do you get out of the Two10? I briefly played monsterthompsan's and liked it a lot but can't recall the top end response. I'm used to not having tweeters, but do have 3" paper cones in my Hathors and they give plenty of note edge. I've almost pulled the trigger on a Two10 a couple different times, as I dig the form factor.
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There's no zing from a tweeter, but there's enough high end to bring out the definition of my active Jazz bass. If the cab had a tweeter I'd use it, but I don't miss it.
 
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So my curiosity is killing me today. Has anyone here directly compared a Two10s to using 2 One10's? I feel the BB2 is perfect for a 1 cab solution for the small to medium venues I play but will a Two10s provide the same volume as the BB2? (or 2 One10's but I'd prefer the Two10s for 1 cab carry)
 
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mmbass21 said:
So my curiosity is killing me today. Has anyone here directly compared a Two10s to using 2 One10's? I feel the BB2 is perfect for a 1 cab solution for the small to medium venues I play but will a Two10s provide the same volume as the BB2? (or 2 One10's but I'd prefer the Two10s for 1 cab carry)
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I had a 210 and a BB2 at the same time. They got comparably loud for my needs. They each handled loud volume better than my SC, SM, and the Hathor 1203 I took to a jam session.

I didn't have a chance (or interest) to push each cab to failure, so I can't say which can get "loudest" between them. I'm also going by my perception and not a dB reading. Certain EQ shapes can be perceived as louder, when they aren't actually, depending on frequency emphasis.

That said, either is a good call. If I was just using it just as a bass cab, and plugging straight in, I'd take the Two10. With the BB2, I use it as a PA, and have a Cab Sim pedal for shaping my bass sound. The Two10 also looks a tad better (to me) and is an easier carry.
 
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Question for the group: I'm awaiting the next season of wedding gigs to start up again, so I haven't had a chance to really crank my new-to-me Super Compact yet with my Mesa D800 powering it. I'm debating buying a second SC prior to the start of my upcoming season. I play in a big ten-piece band with horns and three vocals so there's certainly a healthy stage volume. I have Jazz and Precision basses with TI flats and various pickup configurations, all passive, no pedals.

For reference, rigs that have worked with this band in the past:

Fender Rumble 500 head plus two 2x10 cabs stacked (felt a little loose on the low end, but certainly loud enough)
GK 1001RB-II into an Orange 1x15 with a Kappalite (elevated on a stand, for indoor gigs)
GK 1001RB-II into an Ampeg 8x10 (overkill, but fun)
Mesa D800+ into an Ampeg 8x10 (again, overkill, but fun)
Mesa D800+ into an Ampeg 410HE with Eminence SC10 Basslites (elevated on stand)

Will a D800 and Super Compact elevated on a stand compete, even for outdoor gigs (with full PA support), or should I spring for a second cab to avoid abusing the lone 12" driver with 400 watts @ 8 ohms of Mesa? My only fear with stacking two Super Compacts is that they are so light that they might fall over on a wobbly stage, but I'm sure a pair would be epic. I just don't have a frame of reference yet for what one cab alone is capable of.
 
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voided3 said:
Question for the group: I'm awaiting the next season of wedding gigs to start up again, so I haven't had a chance to really crank my new-to-me Super Compact yet with my Mesa D800 powering it. I'm debating buying a second SC prior to the start of my upcoming season. I play in a big ten-piece band with horns and three vocals so there's certainly a healthy stage volume. I have Jazz and Precision basses with TI flats and various pickup configurations, all passive, no pedals.

For reference, rigs that have worked with this band in the past:

Fender Rumble 500 head plus two 2x10 cabs stacked (felt a little loose on the low end, but certainly loud enough)
GK 1001RB-II into an Orange 1x15 with a Kappalite (elevated on a stand, for indoor gigs)
GK 1001RB-II into an Ampeg 8x10 (overkill, but fun)
Mesa D800+ into an Ampeg 8x10 (again, overkill, but fun)
Mesa D800+ into an Ampeg 410HE with Eminence SC10 Basslites (elevated on stand)

Will a D800 and Super Compact elevated on a stand compete, even for outdoor gigs (with full PA support), or should I spring for a second cab to avoid abusing the lone 12" driver with 400 watts @ 8 ohms of Mesa? My only fear with stacking two Super Compacts is that they are so light that they might fall over on a wobbly stage, but I'm sure a pair would be epic. I just don't have a frame of reference yet for what one cab alone is capable of.
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One cab is capable of a lot. But two will sound more full every time. Especially outdoors.
 
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monsterthompson said:
That said, either is a good call. If I was just using it just as a bass cab, and plugging straight in, I'd take the Two10. With the BB2, I use it as a PA, and have a Cab Sim pedal for shaping my bass sound. The Two10 also looks a tad better (to me) and is an easier carry.
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I can see the cab sim being the hot ticket with the BB2 (or any horn-loaded cab), especially if you're getting dirty. I don't think the Two10 would need it given my short spin with your cabs.
 
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voided3 said:
Question for the group: I'm awaiting the next season of wedding gigs to start up again, so I haven't had a chance to really crank my new-to-me Super Compact yet with my Mesa D800 powering it. I'm debating buying a second SC prior to the start of my upcoming season. I play in a big ten-piece band with horns and three vocals so there's certainly a healthy stage volume. I have Jazz and Precision basses with TI flats and various pickup configurations, all passive, no pedals.

For reference, rigs that have worked with this band in the past:

Fender Rumble 500 head plus two 2x10 cabs stacked (felt a little loose on the low end, but certainly loud enough)
GK 1001RB-II into an Orange 1x15 with a Kappalite (elevated on a stand, for indoor gigs)
GK 1001RB-II into an Ampeg 8x10 (overkill, but fun)
Mesa D800+ into an Ampeg 8x10 (again, overkill, but fun)
Mesa D800+ into an Ampeg 410HE with Eminence SC10 Basslites (elevated on stand)

Will a D800 and Super Compact elevated on a stand compete, even for outdoor gigs (with full PA support), or should I spring for a second cab to avoid abusing the lone 12" driver with 400 watts @ 8 ohms of Mesa? My only fear with stacking two Super Compacts is that they are so light that they might fall over on a wobbly stage, but I'm sure a pair would be epic. I just don't have a frame of reference yet for what one cab alone is capable of.
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I have the D800 and two super compacts. For indoor shows one cab is plenty, and I play with a loud band stage volume wise.
I do use both super compacts when playing outdoors. I have not had to put the volume on the D800 above noon for any type of show I've done using either one or two SC's. (I think I could get away with one cab outdoors also pushing the volume knob more, but why not use both cabs when I can!)
We do have PA support indoors and outdoors. I do elevate the cabs using an amp stand.
 
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voided3 said:
What is your input gain set at, and what bass(es) is/are plugged into it?
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I'm keeping the input gain at 11am. Master volume to taste, although like I said never had to go above noon on that.
My main bass is a lakland Bob Glaub, which is passive. Other basses I've used with this set up are - Nash JB63, Lakland DJ, Fender P bass and Jazz.
all are passive. The Lakland DJ has the hottest output, the jazz has the quietest output. They are all passive, so I can't compare the outputs to how hot a signal an active bass may have.
Using these basses with that amp input gain, the OD light on the mesa only occasionally turns on.
 
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monsterthompson said:
I had a 210 and a BB2 at the same time. They got comparably loud for my needs. They each handled loud volume better than my SC, SM, and the Hathor 1203 I took to a jam session.

I didn't have a chance (or interest) to push each cab to failure, so I can't say which can get "loudest" between them. I'm also going by my perception and not a dB reading. Certain EQ shapes can be perceived as louder, when they aren't actually, depending on frequency emphasis.

That said, either is a good call. If I was just using it just as a bass cab, and plugging straight in, I'd take the Two10. With the BB2, I use it as a PA, and have a Cab Sim pedal for shaping my bass sound. The Two10 also looks a tad better (to me) and is an easier carry.
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Thank you for your input. I recall reading back in this thread you mentioning this info and also about not pushing the cabs to their limits. I typically like cabs with horns but I usually have them turned down but turn them up if I receive feedback that I'm not cutting through the mix. You're right on what is perceived to be louder with with EQ and not dB rating. Guess I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and try out a Two10s and compare. I have so much gear to sell because of this GAS!
 
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