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#661
svtb15 said:
Yes i have the shuttle 6.0 and for my applications i prefer it way over the MB stuff... To me it is more organic than the markbass...
The MB always has a cold feel to my ears.. I like full range but the MB has a cold top end and top mid that sounds un-natural to me.. And i like coloration to my sound . That is why i use a REDDI tube DI..
Im not sure if it is the preamp section of the MB stuff or the poweramp section... I have a Neve pre and would like to try it through the power section of the MB just to see if it is the preamp that is doing that.. I guess to each his own... If you say the MB does not color your sound then do an AB to an API or other high end preamp record out.. infact all amps / preamps color sound in a way.. other wise how can all these manufactures claim to have a flat eq and all the amps sound so different... i notice that with alot of very expensive studio monitors too.. they all sound different..mmmmmmm just my 2 cents
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To carry on the discussion from the 6.0 tone thread.... +1 to the above. You can really hear that tube in the 6.0, and it does give the upper mids and treble a 'sweeter' sort of vibe versus the very clean and quick LMII or F1 top end.

And also +1 to the 'flat' comment, which is why I always use the term 'relatively flat' in describing the LMII and F1 (and any gear designed to be 'relatively transparent')... I don't hear any significant peaks or valleys in the frequency response, but there is a 'voice' to them like any other piece of gear. That voice is very subtle though to my ears.... but the F1 sounds a touch different than the LMII, etc.
 
#662
svtb15 said:
Yes i have the shuttle 6.0 and for my applications i prefer it way over the MB stuff... To me it is more organic than the markbass...
The MB always has a cold feel to my ears.. I like full range but the MB has a cold top end and top mid that sounds un-natural to me.. And i like coloration to my sound . That is why i use a REDDI tube DI..
Im not sure if it is the preamp section of the MB stuff or the poweramp section... I have a Neve pre and would like to try it through the power section of the MB just to see if it is the preamp that is doing that.. I guess to each his own... If you say the MB does not color your sound then do an AB to an API or other high end preamp record out.. infact all amps / preamps color sound in a way.. other wise how can all these manufactures claim to have a flat eq and all the amps sound so different... i notice that with alot of very expensive studio monitors too.. they all sound different..mmmmmmm just my 2 cents
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I liked the Shuttle, the Markbass just sounded better to my ears and was a better fit for my situation. I agree, they all sound different and have their own personality. It can make a decision difficult.

This reminds me of when I sold stereo equipment in my college days and people would ask "what't the best speaker?" You would just sit them down and start patching-in different speaker combinations.....which one do you like?

All good (in the high end room), all claim to be flat, subtle differences and unique.

How boring it would be if it all sounded the same!
 
#663
Does the F1 have the same preamp as the LMII ?

KJung said:
To carry on the discussion from the 6.0 tone thread.... +1 to the above. You can really hear that tube in the 6.0, and it does give the upper mids and treble a 'sweeter' sort of vibe versus the very clean and quick LMII or F1 top end.

And also +1 to the 'flat' comment, which is why I always use the term 'relatively flat' in describing the LMII and F1 (and any gear designed to be 'relatively transparent')... I don't hear any significant peaks or valleys in the frequency response, but there is a 'voice' to them like any other piece of gear. That voice is very subtle though to my ears.... but the F1 sounds a touch different than the LMII, etc.
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#664
svtb15 said:
Does the F1 have the same preamp as the LMII ?
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The F1 has the same preamp and EQ points and features as the LMII. However, it's a class D amp (hence the very small size and weight) versus the class A/B amp in the LMII.

The difference in tone is what feels to me like a slight shifting up of the whole frequency range of the amp.... tighter low end (again, when flat, the bass control is set at the same 40hz shelving as the LMII), more upper mid aggressiveness than the LMII, and a slightly more hi fi upper treble.

While it doesn't sound like the 6.0 at all, given the very different pre's (tube vs. SS) and tone goals of these two units, IMO the general voicing of the F1 is closer to the 6.0 than the LMII is. That they are both class D might be a coincidence, but they both (6.0/F1) have that 'classic' class D tone imprint of tight lows and somewhat aggressive upper mids and plenty of upper treble sparkle.

IMO!

Edit: FYI, there is a 'super F1' coming out in a month or two called the F500. Same power and design as the F1, but with a number of feature upgrades that many of us have been asking for.... two bands of semi-parametric mids versus the two fixed bands on the current F1, mute switch, more fully featured DI with pre/post switch on the back of the amp, etc. The similarly more featured version of the LMII (the SA450) has been out for a while, but is just making it into distribution in the U.S. (it's also a larger box than the LMII... the F500 is amazingly the same size as the current F1).
 
#665
svtb15 said:
Yes i have the shuttle 6.0 and for my applications i prefer it way over the MB stuff... To me it is more organic than the markbass...
The MB always has a cold feel to my ears.. I like full range but the MB has a cold top end and top mid that sounds un-natural to me.. And i like coloration to my sound . That is why i use a REDDI tube DI..
Im not sure if it is the preamp section of the MB stuff or the poweramp section... I have a Neve pre and would like to try it through the power section of the MB just to see if it is the preamp that is doing that.. I guess to each his own... If you say the MB does not color your sound then do an AB to an API or other high end preamp record out.. infact all amps / preamps color sound in a way.. other wise how can all these manufactures claim to have a flat eq and all the amps sound so different... i notice that with alot of very expensive studio monitors too.. they all sound different..mmmmmmm just my 2 cents
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It appears you're making the common mistake of thinking the flat setting on an amp's EQ actually means it's flat sonically. It doesn't... it means that at zero, that EQ band is not affecting the tone of the instrument. That's all. You could have an extremely colored amp and having EQs centered anywhere on the spectrum and when zeroed are not going to change that.

Given this, who are all of the manufacturers you've seen who claim to have flat EQ? "Flat" doesn't always mean "flat".:smug:
 
#667
KJung said:
FYI, there is a 'super F1' coming out in a month or two called the F500. Same power and design as the F1, but with a number of feature upgrades that many of us have been asking for.... two bands of semi-parametric mids versus the two fixed bands on the current F1, mute switch, more fully featured DI with pre/post switch on the back of the amp, etc... the F500 is amazingly the same size as the current F1).
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SOLD! I will take that please and some rack ears to go with it, thank you! :D
 
#668
Joeykun said:
SOLD! I will take that please and some rack ears to go with it, thank you! :D
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I'm so happy with the F1 and its feature set that I had myself talked out of getting an F500. That is no longer the case, especially since I will not be getting a Shuttle 6.0.

The F1 EQ points are literally perfect IMO and IME with the 410UL (II). However, while I like the F1 a LOT with the Bergantino AE410, I find that the upper mids could use a little more taming for my preference, and it will be nice to be able to shift the upper mid control up just a touch versus the fixed upper mid EQ of around 800 on the F1. It's obviously subtle, but it's the only excuse I can think of the justify (kind of!) the F500... so that's the delusion I'm sticking with!

I'll be ordering the F500 the minute Musician's Friend has them listed in stock:bassist:
 
#669
no mistake.. you are preaching to the choir when it comes to that subject. i want to understand your take on it all.


Brad Johnson said:
It appears you're making the common mistake of thinking the flat setting on an amp's EQ actually means it's flat sonically. It doesn't... it means that at zero, that EQ band is not affecting the tone of the instrument. That's all. You could have an extremely colored amp and having EQs centered anywhere on the spectrum and when zeroed are not going to change that.

Given this, who are all of the manufacturers you've seen who claim to have flat EQ? "Flat" doesn't always mean "flat".:smug:
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#670
I didn't think I'd get this amp as soon as I did. I wanted one and figured it would be a while before I could afford it. I was minding my own business looking through Craigs List and what so I see? A used CMD102P, exactly what I wanted for $900. It is in good shape, I cleaned it up nice. There is one issue though, the input clip light does not work, didn't notice till I got it home. Oh well, this is definitely more amp than I am worth at this point!

May I have a number please? :hyper:
 

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#671
SpectorDetector said:
I didn't think I'd get this amp as soon as I did. I wanted one and figured it would be a while before I could afford it. I was minding my own business looking through Craigs List and what so I see? A used CMD102P, exactly what I wanted for $900. It is in good shape, I cleaned it up nice. There is one issue though, the input clip light does not work, didn't notice till I got it home. Oh well, this is definitely more amp than I am worth at this point!

May I have a number please? :hyper:
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Nice score! And don't worry about the clip light. The head lets you know immediately when it's clipping by its nasty digital frap noises. Can't be helped...it's SS. I usually just run it halfway. It blinks when I play hard but doesn't stay on at that point.
 
#674
I was searching for info on the F500 on the Markbass website to no avail. Only the R500 which has been available over here in Sunny Ozzie land for a while.
I then saw the MoMark teaser.
Holy cr@!
A modular Bass amp!
Choose your own power amp, pre amp and tone controls.
Oh I can feel my GAS starting to erupt again.
Please someone, tell me more!!:hyper:
 
#675
petersland said:
I was searching for info on the F500 on the Markbass website to no avail. Only the R500 which has been available over here in Sunny Ozzie land for a while.
I then saw the MoMark teaser.
Holy cr@!
A modular Bass amp!
Choose your own power amp, pre amp and tone controls.
Oh I can feel my GAS starting to erupt again.
Please someone, tell me more!!:hyper:
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The F500 is not due out for a while (I think a couple more months if I remember correctly). I believe the modular stuff is still in early development stage (i.e., it will be out later than the F500).
 
#676
The Mo Mark is very cool - I spent some time with it at Frankfurt. Each section comes as a plug so it is completely modular. You have 250W - 1000W (analogue or digital) chassis with several different options for pre-amp, eq and output.

This gives dozens or permeations plus you can effectively have one amp that is a about to perform many different jobs - ideal if you are in different bands or using it for different projects with differing sound requirements.

I believe it will be available sometime at the end of this year. However only certain dealers will have the whole demo system in as it a six foot rack with switching, enabling you to try all the combinations available before you buy.

Here is a link with our very own Pete Murray - enjoy
 
#677
#679
poptart said:
The Mo Mark is very cool - I spent some time with it at Frankfurt. Each section comes as a plug so it is completely modular. You have 250W - 1000W (analogue or digital) chassis with several different options for pre-amp, eq and output.

This gives dozens or permeations plus you can effectively have one amp that is a about to perform many different jobs - ideal if you are in different bands or using it for different projects with differing sound requirements.

I believe it will be available sometime at the end of this year. However only certain dealers will have the whole demo system in as it a six foot rack with switching, enabling you to try all the combinations available before you buy.

Here is a link with our very own Pete Murray - enjoy
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Holy cow thats unreal!!!

I want one in the studio, the whole modular demo rack - can you imagine, I d be lost to the world for about a month.

Cleverest bit of this is I'm sure they'll just keep bringing out more variations if its popular, I mean whats to stop them doing FX sections too???

That is pure genius IMO :)
 
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