Once again, Rush dissapoints

[Obese Chess]

I'm not one to put Brann Dailor in Neil's class, but even you gotta admit that the old man has slowed down quite considerably in the last few years. So much so that I would call Peart a mildly imaginative standard rock drummer now rather than the progressive god he once was. And I am saying this as a person who when I was a teenager in the 80's had posters of Peart all over my walls, so I have the right to "constructively critisize."

All of that is undeniably true, but the only way in which Dailor is imaginative, in my opinion, is seeing how many notes and fills he can artlessly cram into a single bar of music without any regard for pesky things like "feel" or "groove."



I love the other 3/4 of Mastodon but he's just in the wrong band.

 

[CGremlin]

Peart simply cannot be replaced, as much of a bore he has become these past 20 years or so.

I wonder if anyone still has John Rutsey's number.

 

[David Vector]

They haven't done that bad really on the last few tours in terms of dusting off songs not played in forever. They've wheeled back out Bangkok, Circumstances, Entre Nous, The Camera Eye, Vital Signs, Witch Hunt, Digital Man, The Body Electric, Between the Wheels, Territories, Middletown Dreams, Grand Designs, Manhattan Project, Marathon, Mission, Presto, etc. The overall variety of material really hasn't been that bad since their return in '02. Granted, the songs they dusted back off were mostly '80s material, but that made sense since Geddy could still sing those songs decently.

I haven't actually gone to see them since the VT tour, though. I just check out some YT boots and buy the concert vids. Nothing to do with Rush...I just don't find the in-person concert experience all that enjoyable in general anymore.

 

[mdogs]

I first saw Rush in 1977 on the Farewell to Kings tour and they were awesome. The last time I saw them was in 2008 on the Snakes and Arrows tour and they were better than in 1977. This whole business about people seeing them or not seeing them because of the setlist is just dumb. How many seats are there left for any shows? I don't know, but my guess is none at least without paying a premium through a broker. So, is Rush really out of touch? Seems to me like they have already maximized their earning potential and that would be the case no matter what they played...

 

[David Vector]

I wonder if anyone still has John Rutsey's number.

If you manage to contact him, hordes of the bereaved will be beating a path to your door (he died several years ago).

 

[MovingPitchers]

Hey uh, again, you guys get that Moving Pictures was a massive success in a way that no other Rush albums were/are, right?

Of the songs/singles from Moving Pictures, Tom Sawyer was the biggest one. It had a video that was actually played on MTV in normal rotation. Unlike...almost every other video they made.

Most of the random people on the planet that don't play an instrument, that have heard of Rush only know Tom Sawyer.

They're gonna play it. It's not rocket science.

One could argue 2112, but MP is something 2112 will never reach. Both are significant for the band in their own way, but they even said that Moving Pictures was what propelled them to permanent legendary status.

Just because they like Tom Sawyer doesn't mean I do. One of my least favourite songs by Rush.

 

[The Chuck]

Roll The Bones?? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

[tbz]

One could argue 2112, but MP is something 2112 will never reach. Both are significant for the band in their own way, but they even said that Moving Pictures was what propelled them to permanent legendary status.

Just because they like Tom Sawyer doesn't mean I do. One of my least favourite songs by Rush.

I'm with you. I only hear it when I play it in cover bands, and I only do that because it's the only Rush song the cover bands are usually willing to cover....

But..yeah, if it wasn't for MP they probably wouldn't be in the tax bracket they're in now.

 

[MovingPitchers]

I'm with you. I only hear it when I play it in cover bands, and I only do that because it's the only Rush song the cover bands are usually willing to cover....

But..yeah, if it wasn't for MP they probably wouldn't be in the tax bracket they're in now.

What, and Limelight is hard to cover? I think Limelight is a lot easier song to cover and learn than Tom Sawyer.

 

[tbz]

What, and Limelight is hard to cover? I think Limelight is a lot easier song to cover and learn than Tom Sawyer.

It's not about ease, it's about the "woo" factor.

If you play Tom Sawyer anyone that was 15 in 1983 goes "woo". Everyone that loves "I Love you Man" goes "woo". Everyone that plays bass, drums or guitar, goes "woo".

Limelight.....not so much.

 

[Omega Monkey]

I dunno what's worse - the fact that you listed Brann Dailor as being in the same tier of drumming as Neil, Portnoy, and Bozzio, the fact that you actually proposed him being a suitable replacement for Neil Peart, or that nobody bothered to criticize this for two pages.

I don't see why he couldn't. He's certainly got the dexterity, speed, and endurance to pull it off. Why do you think he couldn't? Just because he doesn't play a zillion piece drum set with a hundred different random noisy things to hit? Your failure of imagination is irrelevant to whether or not he could do a good job. He might even be the BEST choice because the dude has the energy of a coked up rabbit on speed that's been set on fire. If they WERE going to replace 65 yo Neil, a young guy with lots of energy would be a logical choice.

If they stood up there on stage and took request via "real time" voting machines and played exactly what the audience voted for, someone would still be bitching about it the next day on an online forum. I would love to see them revisit Cygnus X-1/Hemispheres, but it ain't gonna happen.

Real time might be tricky, but they could certainly do a poll for each city for say, 5 songs that the audience gets to choose that are outside their normal setlist. That way everyone gets what they want (mostly).

All of that is undeniably true, but the only way in which Dailor is imaginative, in my opinion, is seeing how many notes and fills he can artlessly cram into a single bar of music without any regard for pesky things like "feel" or "groove."



I love the other 3/4 of Mastodon but he's just in the wrong band.

Huh? Are we talking about the same Mastodon and the same drummer? Brann has always been an integral part of that band's sound. If there's a weakest link in that band it's definitely Kelliher who is mainly just there to fill out some of the extra guitar parts.

I wonder if anyone still has John Rutsey's number.

I predict it will go to voicemail.

 

[MovingPitchers]

It's not about ease, it's about the "woo" factor.

If you play Tom Sawyer anyone that was 15 in 1983 goes "woo". Everyone that loves "I Love you Man" goes "woo". Everyone that plays bass, drums or guitar, goes "woo".

Limelight.....not so much.

Except me. I'd be more surprised and "woo" if they can nail YYZ.

 

[tbz]

I predict it will go to voicemail.

Yeah, kinda hard to answer the phone when you've been dead since 2008.

 

[Obese Chess]

Huh? Are we talking about the same Mastodon and the same drummer? Brann has always been an integral part of that band's sound. If there's a weakest link in that band it's definitely Kelliher who is mainly just there to fill out some of the extra guitar parts.

I'm not saying he's not an integral part of their sound, I'm just saying he's the biggest obstacle to me liking them. I mean, the beginning of Black Tongue is the best example. The whole band is playing this cool, sparse half-time groove at like 90bpm, he blasts in playing 16th notes on the kick drum while doing rolls on the hi hat and snare. It doesn't work. When he nails it, he REALLY nails it, but when they get into their slow, sludgy, Melvins/Pantera type of grooves, he always seems totally lost.

I have always had a lot of opinions about his drumming and I don't really know why.

 

[gnarlyWarlock]

The purpose of live music nowadays isn't just to listen - we've had MP3s for years. Its to see a thrill. I would love to see some of their more obscure stuff like Rivendell, but ultimately, I just wanna see them play. Their instruments. Live. The track selection is secondary.

Looking forward to July 19th

 

[Rayjay]

Wow, that's a very immature reaction. Start a Rush cover band? And where did I ever say Rush OWES me ANYTHING? All I wrote in my OP was that the setlist is lame and I'm glad I'm not going. Nowhere does it say in any way, shape or form, "Rush personally dissed me by name because they did not call me up when formulating their setlist to get my esteemed opinion. For this reason I am not their fan anymore!"

I didn't mean it as a stab. You just seem really disappointed and unsatisfied. You seem like you're counting on others to satisfy you as well. I'm just saying if you want something done right, you gotta do it your self.

I'm bummed that Led Zeppelin won't reunite. I'm bummed that Kurt Cobain and Jimi Hendrix and Bob Marley are dead. I'm and idiot because I missed out on The Police reunion in 08. So, I'm taking matters into my own hands. I play those songs in a band.

 

[obimark]

Saw Rush live 5 times, and I have to say I'm over it. All 5 times was basically the same show (IMHO Geddy's live bass tone was mostly boom, without a lot of definition on the last show I saw).
I am with the OP, $200? No way.
To be honest I have grown beyond Rush. Very little of their stuff does it for me anymore.

 

[mikeyjm2]

Going to see them on May 20th here in Houston. Even if the leaked list is accurate I doubt I'll have a problem with the show. Going with a group of 5 and of that group 3 have never seen them. My son and I are the only 2 of the group who have seen them, and my son for the first time on Clockwork Angels last go 'round. I've seen them multiple times over the years and I have not yet been let down. Anyway, that said, I guess I can see the OP point, I just don't have a problem with it personally. I'm just happy to get to see them play again on what may be their last tour.

 

[tbz]

I'm and idiot because I missed out on The Police reunion in 08. So, I'm taking matters into my own hands. I play those songs in a band.

Eh, unfortunately, you didn't miss much ;-).

 

[mixtapelove]

Why don't we wait and see the entire setlist? There might be 8-10 more songs there we don't know about. I'm also expecting some rotation from night to night, especially the Clockwork Angels stuff. I'd be surprised if they played four cuts a night from that album.

Everyone's complaining there isn't enough 70s material (and has been for the last 10 years) but the bottom line is in most cases Geddy can't sing it.