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Renaissance/Turner Basses Club

It was the sound. The acousticores have constant mwah that I find hard to control, a little too much for me. With the TI Jazz flats, I can play notes with and without mwah (or at least much diminished mwah) depending on finger technique, and I like that option. Others may be able to achieve that with the acousticores, but I was unable to do so. Also, the mwah with the TIJFs is less raspy, smoother, and less pronounced, which I prefer. They are both good strings, just depends on personal taste. I also really like the way the Renaissance with TI Jazz flats sounds through the Walter Woods amp.
 
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Just bumping the thread...

I happened to see this Custom Renaissance 6-string pop up on Reverb again: Rick Turner Custom Renaissance 6 string 33" scale

If I were one to be tempted by a sixth string, (and I'm not sayin' either way) this one would do it! ;)

I'm more intrigued by the Deuce option. Every other day I think about calling up the shop and having them quote me on a Deuce conversion for my two Rens... that's about the only way I could ever see clear to part with the Electrolines.

So whatchu' guys up to?
 
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Just bumping the thread...

I happened to see this Custom Renaissance 6-string pop up on Reverb again: Rick Turner Custom Renaissance 6 string 33" scale

If I were one to be tempted by a sixth string, (and I'm not sayin' either way) this one would do it! ;)

I'm more intrigued by the Deuce option. Every other day I think about calling up the shop and having them quote me on a Deuce conversion for my two Rens... that's about the only way I could ever see clear to part with the Electrolines.

So whatchu' guys up to?

ahhh the return..get one of the Rens converted, maybe the fretted one, and see if you like it. Can't go back.

Tune it like a bass VI!

Semi busy (not busy enough) summer festival stuff, maybe a cool album to do outta west, followed by a short west coast tour promoting it, an album to do in Portland OR in early Fall, another to do in the UK before the end of the year if Brexit doesn't hamstring the poor island.
 
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Just wondering what you guys think of the Electroline. I have not played one, wish I could find one local to check out. I'm sort of thinking of a fretless five-string, but have no idea what they sound or play like. I currently play two kinds of basses: an Alembic Series bass (large body 70s model made by Rick), and a stock one pickup 1967 Guild Starfire. I haven't played a bolt-on neck before, or swamp ash body, so I'm not sure what to expect. I am intrigued by the piezo blend capability and what it would sound like with with a fretless, and I"m aware of Rick's reputation for innovation and quality. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
Just wondering what you guys think of the Electroline. I have not played one, wish I could find one local to check out. I'm sort of thinking of a fretless five-string, but have no idea what they sound or play like. I currently play two kinds of basses: an Alembic Series bass (large body 70s model made by Rick), and a stock one pickup 1967 Guild Starfire. I haven't played a bolt-on neck before, or swamp ash body, so I'm not sure what to expect. I am intrigued by the piezo blend capability and what it would sound like with with a fretless, and I"m aware of Rick's reputation for innovation and quality. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks!

I'll put together a few comparative thoughts between the Series I and EL-PMM basses RV... spot me a little time this evening. ;)

In the meantime, I know there's a couple guys here with slickboard Electrolines... I just happened to be playing mine the other day.
 
You and I have freakishly similar taste in fine basses, RV. :D

Well the short version is this; there isn't much comparison between a Turner Electroline and a Alembic Series bass, and this is coming from a really BIG fan of both. There really isn't much else that does sound like a Series bass that I know of, but if RT ever did intentionally try to capture the spirit of that, it would have been the Model One with its parametric eq/mid-sweep. It's not quite the same as a low-pass filter/Q-switch, but the end result is kinda' similar... given the story of the Model One's inception, Rick was specifically trying to avoid some problems associated with the neck-through construction of Alembic guitars, so probably not on purpose. I'd guess any similarity has more to do construction methods of the time, like with the 32" scale and pickup location on it. (IIRC, the first M1's had Bartolinis... not sure if that was basses too) For giggles sometime, I'd like to A/B my '77 Series I, with a '79 Model One. Just to say I did. :smug:

Now, the longer version. Not sure if you ever read the story or not, but Rick actually designed the Electroline while doing some R&D work for Gibson, but they apparently didn't want to develop a product line to get into the boutique market. (I guess buying out Mike Tobias was cheaper?) Whatever the case, Rick took his plans with him when he left, and eventually they made it into his regular line. They seem to go in batches more than regular production, but I don't know about that... never asked.

They are made to be modular, (RT is a tool guy) so yes, bolt-on necks, routed bodies. I haven't tried it out on mine, but I bet anything that the necks are interchangeable with Renaissance basses. Can't imagine him using a different jig just because. That said, there are at least a couple different variations I've seen on Electrolines, so there may be exceptions for updated versions. Some are swamp ash bodies, some are mahogany too. Most I've seen have maple necks. Occasionally you'll see one with the familiar decorative backstrapped headstock. Some autographed by the boss. You might be interested to know Bear designed the 'Sun Lion' logo too. ;)[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

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Both of my Electrolines are 5-strings with 35" scale, peizo bridges, 2 magnetic pickups and blending electronics (EL-535-PMM) one of them of course is fretless. What they sound like is a little harder to pin down... I can tell you they are extremely variable. Solo'ing out the magnetics with the blender pan, I would say with everything set to flat, they come pretty close to Alembic MXY's. (like on that Orion you had) Rick winds his own pickups for these, and I really have no idea what fence he was swinging for, but just knowing from the get-go he's kinda' spent his whole career looking at how to get the most out of something. The difference is the treble roll-off tone circuit rather than a boost/cut option. They can still be very, very bright if that's what you need. They can get pretty dark tone too, I've even done muddy, muted P-bass. Most of the time, I run mine with everything magnetic on full, then dial in a little bit of piezo bridge for warmth, and use a Broughton low-pass filter pedal with the cut-off at about 380-400 hZ and the Q at 4-5 dB. (Yeah, I know... I need an SF-2... :rolleyes:) I have used the piezos only, but rarely... usually I'd just grab one of the Renaissance basses. I read somewhere that the piezo bridge is like having a bass boost on these, and that's really true. If you use them with piezo only, it requires some pretty radical eq changes.

Only gripe with them is, they are heavy... 11 lbs worth. The only redeeming thing is that they balance so perfectly that you don't notice it for a while. Fair to say I have really loved mine. All I have to do is plug one in an play a few minutes and I think sometimes I'm nuts to even pick up another bass... you and I both know what else is out there, and as recently discussed elsewhere, I simply can't pick just one! :laugh:
 
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@RVBASS Our friend here, @EdwardofHuncote might be the best to provide this comparison based on his experience with Rick Turner's instruments, including Electronline, Renaissance, and Alembic. (Although he still needs to buy that Turner Model 1 bass so I can live vicariously through him! :D) Although I have not played an Alembic :(, I think his thoughts on the Electroline series are completely on track. I have two 4 string Electrolines: a EL-434-PMM fretted, and my fretless has 3 mag pickups with no piezo (though I'm considering having a piezo and Eclipse pre installed).

He's right on as far as the tonal variety you can get from these so I can't add anything additional there, except that I previously used a high-pass filter (in a Mesa Rosette Pre) with my fretted w/piezo and it was perfect to tighten up the bottom end when using the piezo...any HPF would be fine. @EdwardofHuncote refers to using a low-pass filter successfully with his so maybe a combo LPF and HPF by Broughton would be the ticket.

I do think the Electroline really shines as a fretless version (I do love my fretted one too). I find the combination of mag pickups with the piezo and Eclipse preamp with TI Jazz flats rather inspiring to play. I probably play my fretless Electroline more than any other bass by far.

One last note regarding weight. Mine weigh a very comfortable 8.6 and 8.7 lbs so perhaps there is a wide range of weights on these since his are heavier. As he stated though, they are balanced extremely well. I absolutely love everything about them, including the ergonomics, neck profile, etc. I think the build and finish quality is outstanding. Let us know if you have further questions. There are other Electroline owners here who can also chime in.

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Hi Guys,

Beautiful basses!!!

Thanks very much for your feedback, very helpful. G of H, yes we swim in the same sea when it comes to basses! Porterbass, I noticed that one of your basses has an elbow contour that might help with weight (at least one of G of H's has the contour as well, so I will think about that. I have an Alembic SF-2 that provides highpass and lowpass filters, so that will be useful to explore with a Renaissance as you touched on. I'll keep looking into it and let you all know where I end up.

Thanks again!
 
Hi Guys,

Beautiful basses!!!

Thanks very much for your feedback, very helpful. G of H, yes we swim in the same sea when it comes to basses! Porterbass, I noticed that one of your basses has an elbow contour that might help with weight (at least one of G of H's has the contour as well, so I will think about that. I have an Alembic SF-2 that provides highpass and lowpass filters, so that will be useful to explore with a Renaissance as you touched on. I'll keep looking into it and let you all know where I end up.

Thanks again!

The elbow contour is normal on Electrolines. I see it on his red one and I'm sure it's there on his burst version. I believe the reason it is not on my fretless is that one is a prototype that was built when they were recently setting up their new CNC milling program so it was finished differently than normal. It also doesn't have the normal "tummy cut" that you see on all the others. I've only seen one other Electroline body like that, otherwise they all have both elbow and tummy contours.

Both of mine are mahogany bodies. I forgot to mention that in my earlier post. That's why I posted that close up pic, but it's probably hard to tell there. I'm not sure what @EdwardofHuncote 's are.

So, just to wet your whistle, I'll just leave this one right here... :D

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The elbow contour is normal on Electrolines. I see it on his red one and I'm sure it's there on his burst version. I believe the reason it is not on my fretless is that one is a prototype that was built when they were recently setting up their new CNC milling program so it was finished differently than normal. It also doesn't have the normal "tummy cut" that you see on all the others. I've only seen one other Electroline body like that, otherwise they all have both elbow and tummy contours.

Both of mine are mahogany bodies. I forgot to mention that in my earlier post. That's why I posted that close up pic, but it's probably hard to tell there. I'm not sure what @EdwardofHuncote 's are.

So, just to wet your whistle, I'll just leave this one right here... :D

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Yep, both of mine have elbow relief cut. I'm 100% certain that the fretted sunburst one is ash, no way to tell on the red one. They aren't identical either... there's a different control layout, the body roundover is much more pronounced on the '07 too, and the jackplate has its own 'hump' integrated into the body pattern. I've never asked, but I just assume these were small details that got changed with the times. I've had them both out playing them this afternoon... reconnecting. :smug:

I remember when that wild Custom Electroline 5-string came up for sale! Lotsa' WOW factor on that one. :woot:
 
Good thing I'm not a fan of zebrawood...

I wasn't either, but it kinda' grows on you. Some of that crazy figured stuff they were using at the old shop was pretty sweet. I never remember to ask, but I think RT must like it as a medium... come to think of it, that's what the Casady Alembic was cut from too. Pretty sure its body wings were solid Zebrawood.

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Hi Everyone!

I recently purchased a new RB-5 from Wilcutt Guitars. It came to me with flatwounds on it, but I don't think they're Thomastik Infeld strings even though their website says their basses are outfitted with them. The tension on these strings seems a bit higher/stiffer than TI's and the silks on the strings are blue in color. I've been using JF344's on some of my basses for a number of years and know that Thomastik's have red silks, and definitely don't feel as stiff as these.

So, seeing that the RB-5 is a 35" scale bass, has anyone used the TI's on one? If so, did you use the JF365 set as they are the super long scale (36")? The only other 5 string flatwound set TI offers is the JF345, but they are for a 34" scale.

Here are some pics of the bass.
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Congratulations & Compliments. That's a nice-looking RB-5. Yeah, those look like D'Addario Chromes... you should be okay with the regular TI Jazz Flats 345 set. (I have them on both of my Electrolines) Is there some reason why you prefer the 365 set?

*one piece of advice- regardless of which set, the silk windings on the .136 B will have to be trimmed to pass through the ferrule. Look back upthread, about page 29 or 30... @RVBASS had this trouble.
 
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