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Request - ease up on the Sire advocacy

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#161
Hopkins said:
Then they need to step up their QC as well. I am not defending Lakland or anyone else.
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I mean, how do they even let this out the dooooor? ;)
 
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#164
Hopkins said:
That is kind of what I was getting at actually. It doesn't seem like much time or thought was put into the logo at all, from the block letters to the placement. It makes me think, if they didn't put the time and effort into that, what else did they not really think through. Its kind of a first impression type of deal. TBH, I don't think Sadowsky did a very good job with their logo placement either.

I put a lot of time and thought into my logos and their placement on the headstock.
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You spent a lot time on that logo? Mkay I've always liked Music Man's logo with the 2 guys.
 
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#165
Hopkins said:
So your source of comparison is a 21 year old Fender, nothing current. Good to know

I can tell you that just by looking at those tuners and bridge, they are not on par with the MIA Fender stuff. In fact they look exactly like the tuners that come on every import Squire, which they probably are. Also, a tuner is a worm gear, and physically cannot slip, so even the cheapest tuners will hold tune.
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Hopkins said:
Right, because gear ratio, smoothness, and quality mean nothing.
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You know all of that information about Sire tuners from looking at a picture?

Do you know that the Sire tuners aren't smooth? Do you know they don't have the same gear ratio as Fenders?

First you'd have to even define what "quality" even means for you. Does it mean it holds a tune and doesn't wear down easy? Does it mean it's made out of some material? Does it mean it looks fancy? Some things are more subjective measures. Some people don't care about the weight, some people want different gear ratios, some people want vintage style tuners for the look rather than the function, etc.

The tuners on Squires or Sires in the price range we're talking about are going to be just fine for what they're designed to do. They won't eat their own teeth or fall apart anytime soon, and you admitted they will hold a tune. Any tuner can break if it gets whacked. I just don't think the bridge and tuners on the Fender are as great as you're making them sound. I've owned MIA Fenders before, they have nice tuners and bridges, but they're not something that's so amazing I'd say that import tuners and bridges are trash by comparison.
 
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#167
I must be reading the wrong (or maybe the right) threads... had to Google Sire basses to see what the fuss was. They look nice... not really *my* thing, but I can see where it would be easy to perpetrate a Fender Jazz thread hijack on account of them.
 
#171
ThePresident777 said:
I wish someone would bring up a bass every one in a while that wasn't a knock off of the same old same old.
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People actually do that here every once in a while. Those threads are easily missed, though, because most people simply aren't interested in them. As someone said earlier, look what happened to SX when they scrapped the Fender-like headstock.
 
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Antisyzygy said:
You know all of that information about Sire tuners from looking at a picture?

Do you know that the Sire tuners aren't smooth? Do you know they don't have the same gear ratio as Fenders?

First you'd have to even define what "quality" even means for you. Does it mean it holds a tune and doesn't wear down easy? Does it mean it's made out of some material? Does it mean it looks fancy? Some things are more subjective measures. Some people don't care about the weight, some people want different gear ratios, some people want vintage style tuners for the look rather than the function, etc.

The tuners on Squires or Sires in the price range we're talking about are going to be just fine for what they're designed to do. They won't eat their own teeth or fall apart anytime soon, and you admitted they will hold a tune. Any tuner can break if it gets whacked. I just don't think the bridge and tuners on the Fender are as great as you're making them sound. I've owned MIA Fenders before, they have nice tuners and bridges, but they're not something that's so amazing I'd say that import tuners and bridges are trash by comparison.
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I never said they were trash, but they are lower quality than MIA Fender tuners, so if their hardware is not as good, how can they be on par with MIA Fender?
 
#174
GregC said:
People actually do that here every once in a while. Those threads are easily missed, though, because most people simply aren't interested in them. As someone said earlier, look what happened to SX when they scrapped the Fender-like headstock.
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As someone once said, "form follows function". That new SX headstock was a deal breaker for me. I'm not in to pointy headstocks.
 
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I do have a serious issue with this

From the Sire website
C. All parts are manufactured in our factory
All guitar parts are manufactured within our factory (we do not pay royalty or purchase from third party parts companies). From pickups to electronics and hardware, we manufacture all crucial parts that goes into our instruments. We do not pay any royalties on parts or accessories.
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This is an out right lie. Their tuners are exactly the same import OEM that come on most import basses. They are definitely not producing their own hardware.
 
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Hopkins said:
I never said they were trash, but they are lower quality than MIA Fender tuners, so if their hardware is not as good, how can they be on par with MIA Fender?
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So then you have tried a Sire and worked the tuners a bit? Also I think what draws the most Fender comparisons is the preamp, it is more flexible than the Fender preamp, that is actually a fact, im not making that part up or being biased.
 
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