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RIP Mike Starr (formerly of Alice in Chains)
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If wish him peace but considering it's Mike Starr we are talking about... it kinda is.
My point exatly, but other folks chose to take it into the "F Mike Starr, he made his own choice to be a junkie" realm.
:scowl:
I've made my position on the "choice" issue clear in other threads, but doing it here, in a thread about a specific individual, feels a little disrespectful.
So, a big thankyou to Mike - wherever he is now - for everything he created and left behind him.
So, a big thankyou to Mike - wherever he is now - for everything he created and left behind him.
I think his suicide is a shame. I also think people trying to rationalise or justify his addiction is a shame.
Time and time again I am seeing people who have no rational agrument but don't agree with someone resort to the "It is too Complx" mantra. It's not complex, it's simple. Drugs kill people, if your a people, you know this as a child, don't put drugs in your people. I think you could accuratly say it is "Dead Simple"
Addictions? Anything done to excess seems to be a valid addiction, addiction is losing it's meaning alltogether with crap like this:
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Anyway, sorry to hear about the suicide.
-eSmith.
Time and time again I am seeing people who have no rational agrument but don't agree with someone resort to the "It is too Complx" mantra. It's not complex, it's simple. Drugs kill people, if your a people, you know this as a child, don't put drugs in your people. I think you could accuratly say it is "Dead Simple"
Addictions? Anything done to excess seems to be a valid addiction, addiction is losing it's meaning alltogether with crap like this:
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Anyway, sorry to hear about the suicide.
-eSmith.
I see what you did there.
Cars kill people. So we shouldn't get into cars then?
Hey TB'ers,
Wow as I read through this thread on my way home from work (I take the transit) I was taken aback by all the posts that became almost heated in regards to addiction and it's wake.
I don't claim to be an expert on addiction because from what I have read it seems to become an expert you either need to be an addict or a medical professional and I am neither.
What I am is an educated adult who is responsible for my actions and decisions. I am an adult that has seen addiction first hand and how it can affect a family. I understand that there are numerous reasons that people would choose to indulge in the use of drugs and in no way am I trying to "over simplify" the entire problem of addiction.
But for the majority of people out there the CHOICE to engage in dangerous behaviour is what leads to addiction. This is in no way a moral judgement but simply a matter of fact. We choose to take drugs (to party/to escape/to medicate/to forget/to have fun/to deal with the pain etc.) and we then have to deal with the consequences.
It's a tragedy to Mike's family and friends who have to deal with the loss and it is to them that my prayers and well wishes go out to. RIP Mr. Starr
Wow as I read through this thread on my way home from work (I take the transit) I was taken aback by all the posts that became almost heated in regards to addiction and it's wake.
I don't claim to be an expert on addiction because from what I have read it seems to become an expert you either need to be an addict or a medical professional and I am neither.
What I am is an educated adult who is responsible for my actions and decisions. I am an adult that has seen addiction first hand and how it can affect a family. I understand that there are numerous reasons that people would choose to indulge in the use of drugs and in no way am I trying to "over simplify" the entire problem of addiction.
But for the majority of people out there the CHOICE to engage in dangerous behaviour is what leads to addiction. This is in no way a moral judgement but simply a matter of fact. We choose to take drugs (to party/to escape/to medicate/to forget/to have fun/to deal with the pain etc.) and we then have to deal with the consequences.
It's a tragedy to Mike's family and friends who have to deal with the loss and it is to them that my prayers and well wishes go out to. RIP Mr. Starr
When people "choose" alcohol or drugs they are choosing to have fun. They are "choosing" to party with friends and family. They are "choosing" to have a good time for that brief period of time. The difference is that some are able to stop the partying and resume a normal life the next day. Unbeknown to the vast majority of addicts and alcoholics it has set them down a horrendous path of self destruction that's very difficult to get out of. If it wasn't, no one would have a problem...
Not true. Endorphins and enkephalins do their job on a daily basis with minute quantities that the body produces naturally. They are extremely potent and dwarf the opiates on a mg to mg basis.
Mocking the dead is just not classy.
So Mike Starr dies, everyone assumes due to drug abuse.
While there is no official word on the cause of his death, I won't be surprised to hear drug abuse was a factor.
But what drugs? Last month Mike was busted with Xanax and a painkiller called Opana. Reportedly Mike was mixing Methadone and and anti-anxiety drug hours prior to his death. Legal drugs.
It's my opinion that many of these newer prescription drugs are a real travesty. Meanwhile many stupid little municipalities in my state are working ferociously to enact all kinds of barriers to medical marijuana, a drug I believe could help keep a lot of people off of that prescription crap.
I haven't read every response here, but I read a lot of them, including the heartless smarmy comments from those who believe that blaming and vilifying the deceased is just fine.
Get off your high horse, Mr. Better-than-thou.
Mental illness was a contributing factor in both Lane Staley and Kurt Cobain's deaths. Mike Starr reportedly had issues as well. Yes, drug abuse is often a symptom of mental illness, and self-medication is a huge problem, and perhaps with more awareness some of these deaths can be avoided. But I don't think it is helpful to anyone to heap scorn on someone who has died due to drug abuse.
Anyhow, RIP Mike Starr.
So Mike Starr dies, everyone assumes due to drug abuse.
While there is no official word on the cause of his death, I won't be surprised to hear drug abuse was a factor.
But what drugs? Last month Mike was busted with Xanax and a painkiller called Opana. Reportedly Mike was mixing Methadone and and anti-anxiety drug hours prior to his death. Legal drugs.
It's my opinion that many of these newer prescription drugs are a real travesty. Meanwhile many stupid little municipalities in my state are working ferociously to enact all kinds of barriers to medical marijuana, a drug I believe could help keep a lot of people off of that prescription crap.
I haven't read every response here, but I read a lot of them, including the heartless smarmy comments from those who believe that blaming and vilifying the deceased is just fine.
Get off your high horse, Mr. Better-than-thou.
Mental illness was a contributing factor in both Lane Staley and Kurt Cobain's deaths. Mike Starr reportedly had issues as well. Yes, drug abuse is often a symptom of mental illness, and self-medication is a huge problem, and perhaps with more awareness some of these deaths can be avoided. But I don't think it is helpful to anyone to heap scorn on someone who has died due to drug abuse.
Anyhow, RIP Mike Starr.
No, not at all, cars often provide positive results, name one positive result of drug addiction?
No, It's more like this:
If you put SOME (but not all) bullets in a gun and then start pointing it at your head and pulling the trigger you absolutly cannot under any circumstances claim any sort of accident when you blow your brains out.
I'm just calling it like it is.
-eSmith.
I broke out my white Spector this morning & played several Alice songs out of respect for the man. A sad day, and a huge loss to the bass community.
Rest In Peace, Mike Starr.
Rest In Peace, Mike Starr.
Mr. Nomadskills.
Your quote-"Cars kill people. So we shouldn't get into cars then?"-end quote.
That has to be the dumbest thing that has been said in the discussion. I am amazed!!!!
Your quote-"Cars kill people. So we shouldn't get into cars then?"-end quote.
That has to be the dumbest thing that has been said in the discussion. I am amazed!!!!
+1, exploitation TV, it has nothing to do with rehabbing anybody and everything to do with Dr Drew's ego, what a joke!
Fly on Mike............
I totally agree, but as an adult we all know the "possible" dangers and risks associated with these choices so its not really "unbeknownst". Everytime we choose to indulge in dangerous behaviour the gun may go off.
While I have no interest in debating substance abuse or whether or not someone should be mourned because of the way they died (it amazes me where some of these threads go) I will say that Starr was someone I dug as a 13yr old starting out on bass and I've always been a big AIC fan. It's sad, I'm going to jam to Facelift tonight.
