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Roger's take, in a nutshell

#241
5StringBlues said:
I get that, and that's fine. But we've all been here before, many many times.
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I felt that way about the Pbass discussion yesterday at first but when I viewed how many pages it went on for and how many people were having fun with it, I decided to try and help squash an disinfo I perceived being presented and that made it fun for me. I'm a Pbass junky but I know why it's popular and why it will always be popular. Some people try and make it about everything else but the science of the matter and it becomes pointless with all the anecdotal BS people constantly spew.

Sorry about the Karen thing, you seem like a fun guy that just got a bit annoyed at the repetitiveness, I do as well sometimes.
 
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Thanks for that. All good, my friend.
MojoPin said:
I felt that way about the Pbass discussion yesterday at first but when I viewed how many pages and people were having fun with it, it went on for I decided to try and help squash an disinfo I perceived being presented and that made it fun for me. I'm a Pbass junky but I know why it's popular and why it will always be popular. Some people try and make it about everything else but the science of the matter and it becomes pointless with all the anecdotal BS people constantly spew.

Sorry about the Karen thing, you seem like a fun guy that just got a bit annoyed at the repetitiveness. I do to sometimes.
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lowfreqgeek said:
I could've done without THAT mental image. Even on my screen, that picture is too close! Gimme my personal space, Karen!
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jnewmark said:
No dog in this fight, but imagine if Leo Fender was still alive, and a member of TalkBass, and started talking about tone woods....
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Leo would have been chased away a long time ago.
5StringBlues said:
Gentlemen! I leave you to your "fun". Anyone want to call me a boomer before I go?
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you are a boomer and get some deodorant will ya?
 
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My favorite tone wood for necks is graphite and for fingerboards, its whatever works with graphite, which is sometimes wood other times it's something graphite like. IFKYK. I like the way every note responds from the synthetic fingerboard. Dead spots have their own sort of "charm" I suppose, just not to me personally. I can really (not) hear them on my some of my older Fender Jazz Basses.
 
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FRoss6788 said:
Oh, I'm sorry, Ithought the topic of the thread was Rogers video regarding finger board woods vs body wood and how it affects tone.

Electronics, was not and is not, part of that discussion.
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Hard to talk EBs without the whole package. I think it comes down to "how much" does it affect the tone, compared with "other factors", such as construction/configuration/pickups/electronics/strings. Some think they can hear a difference, others don't. For reasons stated above (e.g., not all wood is uniform), those that can hear it say you can't do a blind/scientific study (for whatever reason); but because of their experience, their observations are not to be questioned.

So, each side will fight each other to the death - GO!.... ;)

Bill

(Edited to add) Just to be clear, the last line above is sarcasm (a joke), and not meant to instigate an insurrection!...
 
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WRM said:
Hard to talk EBs without the whole package. I think it comes down to "how much" does it affect the tone, compared with "other factors", such as construction/configuration/pickups/electronics/strings. Some think they can hear a difference, others don't. For reasons stated above (e.g., not all wood is uniform), those that can hear it say you can't do a blind/scientific study (for whatever reason); but because of their experience, their dogma is not to be questioned.

So, each side will fight each other to the death - GO!.... ;)

Bill

(Edited to add) Just to be clear, the last line above is sarcasm (a joke), and not meant to instigate an insurrection!...
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Oh, I completely agree that electronics and pickup placement are KING when it comes to tone in an electric bass, but that is not, AT ALL, what the discussion was about.

It was about Rogers take on tone wood, that video in particular. It's kinda like someone asking about which rounds to put on a bass, then another recommending changing their head and cabinet. That's simply not what's being discussed.
 
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FRoss6788 said:
It's kinda like someone asking about which rounds to put on a bass, then another recommending changing their head and cabinet. That's simply not what's being discussed.
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Whatever you do, DON'T *EVER* trust a string seller to give you honest advice about the differences between rounds vs. flats. Their opinion is tainted and not to be trusted because they're just in business to deprive you of your hard-earned cash, and therefore patently evil people (because why else would they be in business, except to trick unsuspecting fools into parting with their money?).
 
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FRoss6788 said:
Oh, I completely agree that electronics and pickup placement are KING when it comes to tone in an electric bass, but that is not, AT ALL, what the discussion was about.

It was about Rogers take on tone wood, that video in particular. It's kinda like someone asking about which rounds to put on a bass, then another recommending changing their head and cabinet. That's simply not what's being discussed.
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Understood, and personally guilty of "calling him (and TB) out to demonstrate that you can hear the difference" - "show me" a blind test where you can tell me which-is-which?...

It's simply lost in the noise and not worth discussing.

How many players took their bass in because it was "too thin" or "too warm"? I would guess that most Luthiers would say strings, pickups, electronics/preamp, bridge, tuning machines, etc. (in that order). Fretboard/body wood probably wouldn't even be on that list?...

Who cares? It's folly. :D
 
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lowfreqgeek said:
Whatever you do, DON'T *EVER* trust a string seller to give you honest advice about the differences between rounds vs. flats. Their opinion is tainted and not to be trusted because they're just in business to deprive you of your hard-earned cash, and therefore patently evil people (because why else would they be in business, except to trick unsuspecting fools into parting with their money?).
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Fortunately I'm fairly well equipped to make that determination on my own, but thanks. :D:thumbsup:
 
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ashtray said:
I always found the neck wood to have the largest impact, compared to fingerboard or body. I theorize it has to do with the hardness and properties of the wood - BUT, every wood is different, bc it comes from living trees. You can make general statements about pine being soft and ebony being hard, but there will be variances within the species, so one piece of ebony might sound different than another.

Ultimately, for higher end instruments, an exotic wood just typically looks better, and that is what you are paying for.
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I had a '65 Jazz with the maple neck and rosewood fingerboard that I bought in '66. It also had the standard 60's pickup spacing of 3.6" center to center. Played through high school and some college with it and toured for 3-years in the early 70's, playing 5-nights a week 50-weeks a year. Then it was stolen in 1976 along with all my touring gear.

In 1985 I bought an '82 Jazz with an all maple neck. It also has the 70's era pickup spacing of 4" center to center, which puts the bridge pickup almost 1/2 and inch closer to the bridge. I believe both basses have/had alder bodies. My '82 is noticeably brighter sounding, growls more easily, and has much more sustain than my '65 did. Although I would love to have my '65 back, I prefer the sound of my '82 Jazz.
 
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