Out of respect for you I'll stay off your thead. As far as the CNC goes though, I seen a picture right on his FB page and he had one of his old basses strapped in it. I seen't it.
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Rybski Basses?
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I love fender but I like flat fretboards. Got a couple of pawn store fender strats back home. My bass is a warwick streamer pro 2. Best bass I've ever played.
Also would like to point out that a pencil line would not prove that he does not use a CNC. You still have to center the wood properly in the machine to get it to cut out right and not run off the edge. Ask the dude, then you will know.
I would also like to mention that Rybski via email told me that everyone on talk bass that said they talked to him and relayed it to me were just " making up stories as they went along". Even lownotes claim that he had paid me back and especially the other claims that I was a punk and he was not going to pay me back.
He has promised to pay me back since mid November 2014. Plus he's basicly calling Bholder and lownote38 a liar. I don't know difinatively who's telling the truth and quite frankly don't care. Rybski treated me horribly as a costomer and I know that he does not give a darn about it. This is about a lot more than money.
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It's right on his Facebook page. CNC! Oh he has one but I don't think he uses it. Ya think. I did not pay this guy to make me a mock up so he could scan the thing into his computer. I asked him not to make me a mock up. Dude cashed my checks and put me off indeffinately. I was completly under the impression that he was making me a hand made instrument.
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I'll stick with my builder guy that I got to know.. Unfortunately he doesn't make guitars tho but makes some cool basses and has quite a few industrial type jigs that he made for clamping necks and a cool fret saw too.
Within reason, he let me pick a bunch of body and neck woods, hipshot products and emg pickups. He gave me one great price for the piece and then a case and shipping would be extra. I pay him in full when he's ready to ship. Great relationship and no pressure and I will spend less than the price of a usa fender bass.
Within reason, he let me pick a bunch of body and neck woods, hipshot products and emg pickups. He gave me one great price for the piece and then a case and shipping would be extra. I pay him in full when he's ready to ship. Great relationship and no pressure and I will spend less than the price of a usa fender bass.
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Max is basically part time and only makes so many per year to sell. Great guy. He pretty much sticks close to his body design but we threw a few loops in on mine.
Mine will be #bb010 and all the build photos on his page of this build will be black and white until he reveals it at the end. Although, he will email me the real color photos, of course.
I was interested in Rybski before I read this thread. And to think that I would have ordered from Japan makes me cringe... They do look nice on my PC screen though. One thing I learned over the last few months in the bass guitar industry is that the idea itself could be a professional job, but execution of the idea might be either kindergarten level or downright scam. There are only a few makers that will start professionally and end it professionally.
I also noticed (even though I have only been playing 8 months), unless the boutique builder knows exactly what he / she is doing and has a philosophy of his/her own in sound/tone making, a cheap Ibanez, Yamaha or Fender is going to sound nicer (not necessarily play better but they will sound nicer). These mega corporations build 100s of prototypes and have a formula. Literally they have hundreds of thousands of $$$$ invested into sound making they know what they are doing. The only the drawback is that the cheaper ones MIGHT suffer quality control, and I write MIGHT in capital because lately even the cheap ones are half decent.
There are some great small builders that get very little attention and it is literally impossible to play them before you buy them. I am lucky enough to know a guy in Japan who is a major distributor of bass guitars from all around the world. This guy is an honest guy and truly knows what he is talking about when it comes to quality, wood choice, sound making, etc. He see them for what it is and told me which boutiques are reliable and which are not. Which are pursuing perfection, which are worth the money, which ones are worth more than the money. The stuff I saw and learned from him is quantified. By this I mean, what he says is literally on paper though numbers and figures using machines and what not. There is no arguing when it is quantified.
Unless you have access to such people, I would stay away from most high end boutique builders who charge more than 2500 bucks, unless you are getting something like Sadowski, Nordstrand, Benavente or Fodera. I like to take risks and have fun, hence I was looking at Rybski because he seemed to have some kind of philosophy in making his bass, but what you encountered tells me that the guy has no philosophy unless you can call chaos, scam, or sham a philosophy. Thank goodness for threads like these, it saved me a headache I truly hope you get everything squared away.
I also noticed (even though I have only been playing 8 months), unless the boutique builder knows exactly what he / she is doing and has a philosophy of his/her own in sound/tone making, a cheap Ibanez, Yamaha or Fender is going to sound nicer (not necessarily play better but they will sound nicer). These mega corporations build 100s of prototypes and have a formula. Literally they have hundreds of thousands of $$$$ invested into sound making they know what they are doing. The only the drawback is that the cheaper ones MIGHT suffer quality control, and I write MIGHT in capital because lately even the cheap ones are half decent.
There are some great small builders that get very little attention and it is literally impossible to play them before you buy them. I am lucky enough to know a guy in Japan who is a major distributor of bass guitars from all around the world. This guy is an honest guy and truly knows what he is talking about when it comes to quality, wood choice, sound making, etc. He see them for what it is and told me which boutiques are reliable and which are not. Which are pursuing perfection, which are worth the money, which ones are worth more than the money. The stuff I saw and learned from him is quantified. By this I mean, what he says is literally on paper though numbers and figures using machines and what not. There is no arguing when it is quantified.
Unless you have access to such people, I would stay away from most high end boutique builders who charge more than 2500 bucks, unless you are getting something like Sadowski, Nordstrand, Benavente or Fodera. I like to take risks and have fun, hence I was looking at Rybski because he seemed to have some kind of philosophy in making his bass, but what you encountered tells me that the guy has no philosophy unless you can call chaos, scam, or sham a philosophy. Thank goodness for threads like these, it saved me a headache I truly hope you get everything squared away.
There's alot of things that a smaller company can do that bigger ones are not willing and to only recommend fodera, nordstrand sadowsky etc... is assinine because all those guys had a starting part too, just like the smaller luthiers. Those companies make some real eye candy and Id rather have one if theirs over the monster production models but there are others completely qualified. You'd have to know what to look for from all business aspects.
In relation to your post, the only thing I get from it is that its a damn shame Rybski has to ruin it for others... its a shame that a business both treated someone like crap in this thread and then the other guy in this thread is getting a nice bass.
In relation to your post, the only thing I get from it is that its a damn shame Rybski has to ruin it for others... its a shame that a business both treated someone like crap in this thread and then the other guy in this thread is getting a nice bass.
asinine? Did I ever recommend only Sadowski, Nordstrand or Fodera? I wrote "something like" By this, it means something such as Sadowski, Nordstrand, or Fodera. Did I ever mention that Sadowski, Fodera, Nordstrand were the only ones? In fact I mention that there are "some great smaller builders"
You make absolutely no sense. "Those guys had a starting point just like smaller luthiers?" Which guys are you talking about? Sadowski, Fodera? Please specify "THOSE".
Allow me to put some issues into perspective. Do you even know how big Yamaha is? It is a part of Toyota group. Compared to Hoshino Gakki, which owns Ibanez (along with half a dozen of other brands), which is actually made by Fujigen, or Yamaha a Toyota group company, Sadowski is tiny. Nordstrand is only getting recognition lately through their pickups. Benavente is tiny too. You think that Fodera is big? Sadowski is huge? Sadowski and Fodera are not big at all, they are small. You talk about the business aspect, I have a feeling you have no clue about what you are implying.
You wrote, "Those companies make some real eye candy and Id rather have one if theirs over the monster production models but there are others completely qualified." Which companies are you taking about? Gigantic Sadowski ? Or are you willing to buy from even smaller luthiers such as Jerzy or Daniel Fernandez or Freedom Custom Guitar Research? Your entire sentence is ambiguous because the choice of word you use "THOSE" do not actually specify which proper noun you are referring.
Those companies that make real eye candy." Now are you talking about Yamaha or Ibanez? Because the last time I checked which was 10 days ago, Ibanez had a real eye candy. Invalid Link Removed
Sir you have a problem. It is called English comprehension and grammar. You need to clarify your thoughts before calling my statements asinine. Your entire post makes no sense.
For your sake, I am going to clarify my post. Many small shops can not produce custom guitars on time. It is the nature of the business. Breaking even in the guitar industry is difficult. In fact breaking even in any tiny or small business is difficult. The failure rate in the first 4 years for business with less than 10-15 full time workers is incredibly high. Statistics say that survival is less than 6%. I have a feeling it is probably even less. If one orders from a small business such as Rybski, one is already at risk of losing money. That is not to say that these small companies do not make good guitars. Jerzy, which is a small builder in Spain actually acclimates their guitars for months before sending them to Japan because the humidity is so high in Japan compared to Spain. That is quality control. Daniel Fernandez makes absolutely impeccable guitars. He is one of the best in the world. This guy understands wood choice. Nordstrand, I have their headless bass. I put it though the PLEK machine. The machine couldn't find anything wrong with the fret job. It was perfect. Imagine that, fret job done by hand which was just as precise as a machine that can take a fraction of a millimeter off the frets. And In case you don't know about the PLEK, please look it up.
There are tons of small builders that are worth mentioning. But quite frankly I don't think I could recommend every builder that I heard online. Recommending something means that I would be held responsible for my recommendation. Now I can honestly recommend Sadowski NYC, Sadowski Tokyo, Dingwall, Nordstrand, Daniel Fernandez, Freedom Custom Guitar Research, and a bunch more because I own most of them and/or I have seen several examples of the maker, and every one of them were great or I have inside knowledge of the company. Companies such as the ones mentioned above are able to reproduce quality instruments day in and day out. If a company can not do that, I hesitate to recommend it to anyone because I would never want anyone to lose their money because of my recommendation. This is the reason why I only brought up Sadowski, Fodera and Nordstrand. Everyone knows they make quality, we have all seen it. You hardly ever hear of a bad fret job from Fodera or Sadowski. If you can not produce the same quality day in day out, it is not quality. It becomes a gamble. Now let me ask you, could you recommend someone to gamble their hard earned cash, when that someone just wants a nice bass guitar? If you can, you are a jerk. If you can not, then you are just a regular, nice ordinary guy. Most ordinary people would never want anyone to lose money because of THEIR lousy recommendation.
To the OP, I am sorry I jacked this thread with my personal opinion. But I thought it was necessary to clarify what it means to recommend something. All too often we just recommend something because we hear someone say something good. Hearsay is often treated as truth then somehow it becomes a fact. And any intelligent person would know that truth and facts have nothing to do with each other. Yet we all want to blindly treat hearsay as a fact. I am really sorry to hear your ordeal with Rybski. I have had to deal with people like that in my life and it is a pain in the ass and as you mentioned, it is no longer about money. It is about how a fellow human treats another human. Without respect for each other, humans are reduced to thugs, liars, and politicians. I just hope that this incident does not leave a bitter scar in your heart because in the end, it is all about the heart. And obviously Rybski doesn't have one.
That was in reference to staying away from builders that charge more than 2,500 unless you're getting something like the companies you mentioned.
On the frontside, Rybski basses look just as good, if not better but look at what happened... to me it seemed like a stab to small guys that have a passion and are feeding their families but that's all beside the point.
Everyone here has agreed to the fact that money was paid and services have not been performed and could have happened with any company. Rybski, however, is the one leaving a bad taste for others.
On the frontside, Rybski basses look just as good, if not better but look at what happened... to me it seemed like a stab to small guys that have a passion and are feeding their families but that's all beside the point.
Everyone here has agreed to the fact that money was paid and services have not been performed and could have happened with any company. Rybski, however, is the one leaving a bad taste for others.
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Chauncey, now that you've posted that pic, I see what the trouble is. You tried ordering a handmade customized bass- Rybski clearly makes handmade customized mashed potatoes.
