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Rybski Basses?
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Hand made means hand made. The second you use an automated machine it is a production instrument. Plus he used the wrong woods the wrong number of frets, didn't recall the scale length and put me off for months while telling me he was building my instrument. Mashed potatos are just a side dish, but I like potatoes either way. Mashed or not.
I hate to be that guy, seeing's how you've apparently gotten screwed, but it doesn't mean that at all. Automation can be used in so many ways, in this case surely to do certain work that is simply done better this way. For example there's no compelling reason to make a neck pocket by hand if you don't have to-there's less chance of a machine screwing it up and it goes much faster. You might FINISH it by hand, to get the best possible fit but there's no point in hogging out all the bulk wood by hand. Or fret slots. Why measure and cut each one by hand, again risking a mistake, when your CNC mill can do it quickly and perfectly? You're still gonna install the frets and dress them by hand. Sometimes you don't want the slots to reach the edge of the fingerboard-how else would you do it?(see video) In addition to precision, these methods cut TIME from the tedious parts of a job, and time what you're really paying for.
I do hope you are able to come to a peaceful resolution.
I've worked with wood and in construction all my life and trust me there's a difference. Hand made is hand made no matter what. If you say hand made it means hand made and also means not made with an automated machine. If you use a CNC even just a little maybe on inlays or something it is no longer a hand made instrument. It does not matter how you use the machine or how much you use the machine. If you look at the work you can tell if something is hand made or if it is cut out by a machine. To say that it does not matter is your opinion maybe definatly not mine. If you want to cut out slots that don't go through the entire neck you make a jig for the wood and route it out proper. You certainly don't need an automated machine to cut a blind fret slot. My driskill guitar was made by a CNC. Joe told me before we started and that was alright by me. It's a nice guitar. You can't advertise hand made and then use a CNC to cut the darn thing out. It's called not telling the truth. Hand made means made by hand, carved by hand, not carved out by an automated machine.
Very true on that.. handmade is a one sided deal. It's not all that hard to get good with an ole Stanley #01 block plane...
There's a lot of Amish folks around here that claim to be hand made with cabs, furniture etc... walk in their shop and its a ton of new electrical tools converted to air and run off of a gas powered generator. That's not hand made imo either
There's a lot of Amish folks around here that claim to be hand made with cabs, furniture etc... walk in their shop and its a ton of new electrical tools converted to air and run off of a gas powered generator. That's not hand made imo either
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So, just curious, if a builder uses a bandsaw to rough out body blanks or a drillpress to make holes for tuning machines- is that automatically no longer "handmade"?
By all means, I wasn't intending to define the difference. Actually the world moves way too fast to decide... As for the year, 2015, I'd simply consider excessive tools like cnc as a part of any woodworking, not hand made... rather, hand sanded or hand finished.
My pap was a carpenter and home builder... I saw old pictures of his job sites and there was no cabinet delivery, instead a pile of lumber. He used hand saws, chisels hammers, set drills etc... Nothing he built was driven by electrical outlets.
Those days are long gone though, lol
Those tools don't typically use automation...I don't think "handmade" precludes the use of power tools, as soon as you start programming a machine to automate the process...that's when "handmade" goes out the window.
You can use whatever tools you want, electric or not. Even table routers and drill press's. The thing that makes it not hand made is automation. When you strap your wood or metal for whatever your making into a machine that's automated by a computer. Making somthing with a bandsaw is still handmade because you gotta use your hands.
I have not checked the mail yet. Still it's probably not in there. I'll go to the post office tomorrow.
I respect Rybski's work now, but I still think he needs to fix this - I'm the kind of person who'd likely run into the same sort of difficulty with someone like Mr. Rybski. I respect Chauncey for sticking to his guns, now that he's reigned in his frustration a bit.
I respect Rybski's work now, but I still think he needs to fix this - I'm the kind of person who'd likely run into the same sort of difficulty with someone like Mr. Rybski. I respect Chauncey for sticking to his guns, now that he's reigned in his frustration a bit.
Yep, life is too short for Rybski to not do the right thing...
I had a situation last year with an upset customer... it wasnt my fault or something I could control but they were mad because half of their tile order was backordered and since the factory was in Italy, it took forever. I gave them a few hundred off the final bill just because situations like that are tough even though it hurt my pocket a bit..
Karma can sting a business bad so its always good to take the high road and do right
I like his work to, that's why I contacted him in the first place. His people skills are messed up. He kinda makes himself out to be a person that really cares about what you need sound wise and all, truth be told he could give a shot in a bucket about somebody's sound. Why would you tell somebody your building their instrument and then completly blow them off. He had me waiting for him for nothing. That really bothered me. He kept me waiting as if my time meant absolutley nothing. All he had to say was, I'll make it next year or I'll start in another couple of months. Instead I waited by myself in frozen hellish wisconsin for him to literally do nothing. I could have spent that time with my family in Florida or been anywheres else doing whatever I wanted. It was to much for him to level with me and be honest. That's three weeks of my life that I will never get back.I respect Rybski's work now, but I still think he needs to fix this - I'm the kind of person who'd likely run into the same sort of difficulty with someone like Mr. Rybski. I respect Chauncey for sticking to his guns, now that he's reigned in his frustration a bit.
Hello everyone,
It's been a while since I posted here, but I just wanted to share some pictures of my custom Rybski bass that's in the works now. I first met Rybski a few years back at Wooten Woods, in fact I'm even in a couple of those videos he posted. As soon as I played some of the fine examples he and Anthony Wellington graciously let us test, I fell in love and knew that one day I'd purchase one. Fast forward a year or so, and Rybski managed to get his hands on some wood from Wooten Woods, and I decided that the time was right to plunk down a deposit and get the gears moving. Despite the beauty of that wonderful stressed box elder, I opted for the figured cherry root as my top wood.
I have to give major props to Rybski for putting up with all of the design changes I've asked for and my late payments, but here are the specs as they stand:
4 string
Wooten Woods figured cherry root top
Alder body
Ebony fingerboard w/ 26 frets
Hipshot detuners on all four strings
Hipshot bridge
18mm string spacing
Rybski pickups
Electronics TBD
Three or five position knife switch pickup selection with custom blend knob (TBD)
Custom inlays TBD
Body border with accent
Despite the fact that we haven't settled on some of the details, he's already hard at work cutting wood and a couple weeks ago, he emailed me some more pictures...
Rybski cutting my body out - alder with Wooten Woods figured cherry root top!
Here's the top wood before it was glued to the body. I insisted on this piece of wood despite the flaw.
Here's my neck being glued together
Here's two pieces of fingerboard wood he sent me for my consideration. I chose the ebony on the left.
Here's the neck after gluing and a rough cut and sand
Here's the 7 pieces of wood before they were laminated. Rock Maple, Vintage Bodok (Osage Orange), Purpleheart, Wenge
Here's my headstock! I'm in love!
I have to say, this is one hell of a lot of work considering the small amount I've paid so far and what I still owe. I just made another payment recently and I can't wait for the next phase of this.
It's been a while since I posted here, but I just wanted to share some pictures of my custom Rybski bass that's in the works now. I first met Rybski a few years back at Wooten Woods, in fact I'm even in a couple of those videos he posted. As soon as I played some of the fine examples he and Anthony Wellington graciously let us test, I fell in love and knew that one day I'd purchase one. Fast forward a year or so, and Rybski managed to get his hands on some wood from Wooten Woods, and I decided that the time was right to plunk down a deposit and get the gears moving. Despite the beauty of that wonderful stressed box elder, I opted for the figured cherry root as my top wood.
I have to give major props to Rybski for putting up with all of the design changes I've asked for and my late payments, but here are the specs as they stand:
4 string
Wooten Woods figured cherry root top
Alder body
Ebony fingerboard w/ 26 frets
Hipshot detuners on all four strings
Hipshot bridge
18mm string spacing
Rybski pickups
Electronics TBD
Three or five position knife switch pickup selection with custom blend knob (TBD)
Custom inlays TBD
Body border with accent
Despite the fact that we haven't settled on some of the details, he's already hard at work cutting wood and a couple weeks ago, he emailed me some more pictures...
Rybski cutting my body out - alder with Wooten Woods figured cherry root top!
Here's the top wood before it was glued to the body. I insisted on this piece of wood despite the flaw.
Here's my neck being glued together
Here's two pieces of fingerboard wood he sent me for my consideration. I chose the ebony on the left.
Here's the neck after gluing and a rough cut and sand
Here's the 7 pieces of wood before they were laminated. Rock Maple, Vintage Bodok (Osage Orange), Purpleheart, Wenge
Here's my headstock! I'm in love!
I have to say, this is one hell of a lot of work considering the small amount I've paid so far and what I still owe. I just made another payment recently and I can't wait for the next phase of this.
