Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

[Brian Barrett]

I wish someone in New York had one to try. I have not seen one yet. I am so curious about it. All I hear is how good it is but never heard or tried one......... Help.

If you hit any clubs where Tad from Blues Traveler is playing, he uses a 1210 around town for shows. More then Likely it won't be a Blues Traveler show, but will be the Popper Project or something else.

I think there are a few in NY, you would have to see if Jorg knew of anyone else.

 

[spectorbass83]

Has anyone played any of the Schroeder cabs through a Peavey head? I am looking into purchasing a Peavey Max 700..would anybody like to comment?

 

[spooner2112]

Based on the reviews in this forum, I purchased a Schroeder 21012, without having heard or played through one.

It arrived yesterday, conveniently just in time to use it at a blues/rock gig in a small biker bar.

And the verdict is... totally awesome!

I play a 1998 MIA P-bass through an Ampeg SVT-3Pro head. (The '98 P I also just purchased, but that's the subject of a different thread.) Previously, I had been using various 2x10 and 4x10 cabs I had been buying and returning from/to GC until I settled on something permanent, the latest being a GK 410 Backline. And before that, I used an Eden 2x10, but one of the speakers fried and I was ready for a change.

The Schroeder really sounded like a was playing through a high-end 2x10 + 1x15 (at least) stack. (I've never regularly used a stack due to lack of car space.) After a couple of songs, one of our guitarists remarked, "you sound much 'bassier' but still well defined." That describes the tone very well: exceptional clarity plus lows that sound like a big stack. I've played at this club many times, and I was actually able to play at a lower volume due to a rich, clear sound. I also had to make sure I played well, because any mistake would be easily heard by the audience, rather than being lost in the mix.

So, I finally have the "big" stack sound I've wanted from a single, reasonably sized cab. Count me as another Schroeder convert!

 

[::::BASSIST::::]

Ah crap! Anyone else?

How about this... LOL

Post the following:

What Schroeder Cab Do you Have...?

When was it purchased....?

What is the advertised weight....?

What did it weigh when you sclaed it...?


LOL I am just sick.

I have a schroeder mini 12+

I bought used about 6 months ago.

Advertised 28lbs

My scaled weight is 38LBS. (bathroom digital scale)

This is a bummer for me as weight is a very big factor. I recently bought an ampeg pb-110 just for rehearsals. The ampeg weighs 20lbs. I just couldnt believe the 8lb difference would be that signifcant(when I thought the mini 12 was 28lbs), but their is a huge difference b/n the two as its almost twice as heavy.

The mini12 is way louder though, but i just dont need that much volume for rehearsals.

 

[BuffaloBob4343]

Based on the reviews in this forum, I purchased a Schroeder 21012, without having heard or played through one.

It arrived yesterday, conveniently just in time to use it at a blues/rock gig in a small biker bar.

And the verdict is... totally awesome!

I play a 1998 MIA P-bass through an Ampeg SVT-3Pro head. (The '98 P I also just purchased, but that's the subject of a different thread.) Previously, I had been using various 2x10 and 4x10 cabs I had been buying and returning from/to GC until I settled on something permanent, the latest being a GK 410 Backline. And before that, I used an Eden 2x10, but one of the speakers fried and I was ready for a change.

The Schroeder really sounded like a was playing through a high-end 2x10 + 1x15 (at least) stack. (I've never regularly used a stack due to lack of car space.) After a couple of songs, one of our guitarists remarked, "you sound much 'bassier' but still well defined." That describes the tone very well: exceptional clarity plus lows that sound like a big stack. I've played at this club many times, and I was actually able to play at a lower volume due to a rich, clear sound. I also had to make sure I played well, because any mistake would be easily heard by the audience, rather than being lost in the mix.

So, I finally have the "big" stack sound I've wanted from a single, reasonably sized cab. Count me as another Schroeder convert!

I will be purchasing one of these in the near future. However, I may delay that purchase a month or so due to the fact that I have a line on a nice used 55-94 that I need to add to my arsenal. The price is great so I couldn't pass it up. If that falls through, I will get the cab in the next few days.

Thanks for your datapoint. It only further reinforces for me that this is the cab I need.

 

[dcr]

Thanks guys
Which eden 210 did You have ?
I'm in eastern MA btw

thanks for the offer though !

The D210XLT. Also had a Goliath Jr. a few years ago. It was heavier than the 1210/1212 is as well. Liked it better than the D210XLT, but not las much as I like the Schroeders.

One thing I will echo. The Schroeder seems to sound better as you go along. I didn't much care for it at first, but it seems to have either changed or grown on me -- the weight certainly has!

I'm glad they have a 10-year warranty. I'll probably keep it that long!


dcr

 

[jerry]

Well....I was loading up my truck for tonights gig, and figured I would do a un-scientific bathroom scale weigh-in. The 1212 that I'm bringing to the gig is about 58 pounds, and my 1210 was about 54 pounds. They really seem much lighter to me, much lighter than my Eden 2/10 XLT. I spent a month in the hospital this past summer for my back, but these cabs are not a problem for me to move around compared to my other cabs...go figure

 

[jerry]

A p.s. to my own post.... my wed night gigs have a house SWR rig....but I bring my Thunderfunk/Schroeder 1212 rig anyway. I even tried the Thuderfunk with their Goliath cab, it sounded better than the all SWR rig....but no cigar

 

[Bassface127]

I've had a 1212 for a couple months now...just the time when the gigging has been slowing down. Great. It's replacing a Peavey 410 cabinet primarily because the band needed to scale down after the purchase of a new van with less cargo room. I'm powering it with a Pearce 650 watt MB-2, an amp I've been happy with (but is showing signs of wear) for the past 15 years. I'm playing a plywood upright bass using a Biesele magnetic pickup (no feedback at any volume) in a rockabilly-jump-swing combo.

My goal for this cabinet is to bring out the low low's of the bass. I leave all the mids and highs for guitar and sax. I'm just there to drive the low end and shake the place. I talked to Jorg about it and he recommended the 1212. It's been said a thousand times but let me say it again: Jorg knows his customer service. There was some confusion about getting a 4 ohm cabinet vs. an 8 ohm cabinet (I ended up with the 8 ohm version). Jorg took care of all problems for me. He's the best.

I've played a couple shows with the 1212 now and it's easily replaced the Peavey 410. Usually playing to audiences of 100-350, most of the time without PA support. I've asked the other band members if they've noticed a difference between the two cabinets but at this point all they've said is, "yeah, the 1212 is smaller." No feedback from audience members yet, but how often does that happen anyway?

I haven't heard any dynamic difference between the sound I get from the 1212 v. the Peavey 410 until the other week when I was playing a show. Every so often the Biesele pickup just falls off the double bass (not to knock it's clamping system, but I need to glue or nail that pickup onto the end of the neck one of these days). It chose to fall off in the middle of the show so I grabbed my backup Danelectro longhorn. I plugged that in and boom! I couldn't believe the tone of that puppy! THAT bass raised eyebrows.

Unfortunately, I don't do any gigs these days that require anything other than the upright or I think I'd really see the quality shine through on the 1212. As it is, I'm just happy to be able to walk into a gig with the 1212 in one hand and my amp in the other. I also haven't hit any shows yet where I've topped out the volume of my amp. This Friday I'll be playing a large hall without PA support to about 200 people so we'll see how the cabinet performs.

One question: What would people here recommend to replace the two-space 650-watt (at 8 ohms) solid state amp I have if it dies? Especially since I'm interested in getting up into the 700-800 watt area. And keep it under $1500.

Thanks.
John

 

[Larry Kaye]

At least check out the new Acoustic Image Focus II or III is it? 800 watts at 4 ohms but a real natural tone for upright. My 600 watt at 4 ohms with a 1210 or 410 Schroe but, mind you I don't use an upright, is plenty of volume without any PA support in anything short of a stadium or arena. Fortunately, we have PA support now-a-days on all but one gig for the rest of the year.

LKaye

 

[Chef]

Bassface127, let me preface all this by saying I'm playing mostly jazz and r&b, so I percieve our sonic goals to be pretty different to start with

I've been using a Thunderfunk TFB420 and Schroeder 1210 for my Double Bass for some time now.
I could not be happier.
I'm using a bassmax pup, so feedback is an issue...well, it sued to be an issue...with the massive eq of the TFB, and the Schroeder magic it's not anymore
Not to slight beisle pups or anything...but I'm looking for much more of a organic, natural, woody true sound (think ray brown) than I think the biesel delivers (I'm hearing lee rocker thru an svt with the beisel). I personally see the biesel as a fender P bass in an upright body in terms of tone....*no* slam there, just my perceptions.
I've very pleased at the natural, woody and accurate sound that I'm getting thru the TFB/Schroeder combination. I went thru *freakin tons of gear* to get to this conclusion, and it's one that other bass players, sound guys, and audience members comment on positively all the time.

 

[gruuv]

well, it sued to be an issue...

Feedback will sue for anything these days. . .

 

[Bassface127]

Not to slight beisle pups or anything...but I'm looking for much more of a organic, natural, woody true sound (think ray brown) than I think the biesel delivers (I'm hearing lee rocker thru an svt with the beisel). I personally see the biesel as a fender P bass in an upright body in terms of tone....*no* slam there, just my perceptions.QUOTE]

Ha! Chef, I usually tell everybody that the Biesele turns my double bass into an oversized Fender P bass! I guess great minds think alike.

Yes, the Biesele is just there for the super-loud blasting gigs. For studio work I'm pretty happy with the Bass Max. I've tried miking my POS double bass and I'm much better off with the Bass Max, especially for rock 'n roll work. Further, it's my belief that even if I had $5000 double bass recorded as professionally as possible it would still sound lumpy and bumpy in a rock 'n roll recording. Which would explain the tone of double bass in such bands as Barenaked Ladies and Stray Cats and, uh...who else?

I used to use the Bass Max for live gigs but it fed back at those many shows where I had to play loud while being crushed on small stages next to my amp. The Biesele works much better in that case. No one ever accused us of being a subtle band.

John

 

[Chef]

Gruuv;ya got me

Bassface:
One of the Schroeders advantages as I percieve it for use in/on a loud stage with double bass is this:
The sidefiring speakers greatly reduce big fat soundwaves bouncing off the back of your DB that cause feedback cycles to start. This way one can play at volumes that would have been problematic with say a peavey 410.
Another thing that gets feedback started at one of my venues I frequent: house subwoofers under the stage. I have them cut 80hz and under on my mic/line, or all that runs right up my endpin
For studio work with my DB, I usually record:
large diaphram mic at the f-hole
b-max/thunderfunk eq'd line out
mic'd schroeder cab
This way the engineers can take any/all/none of those three signals.

 

[garagebassman]

Ok guys, I'm going in !

Bought a used 1210, won't see it till the end of the week though....

After reading all the info here, hearing about Jorg's design, and committment to his customers...and particularly the rave reviews on the cab's sound...I couldn't resist !

I figure it will be worth the gamble to "buy it to try it", since there don't seem to be too many used ones available, (couldn't find any history on 'the bay') . And the price seemed reasonable, about the same as a new eden xst 210 would've cost.

Finally I'll have something portable that'll sound great to take to rehearsals !

 

[Larry Kaye]

What head / amp preamp are you going to use again with the 1210? What bass do you have?

I used my 1210 yesterday at a rehearsal "studio" with really nice acoustics. Everyone in the band brought their gigging rigs including our rhythm guitarist, keyboardist, our lead player with his 4 12 and 200 watt mesa tube amp and line 6, and our VERY loud, younger, more energetic drummer, and my AI Focus with 600 watts with the tone setting I use live just was killer with the 1210. It kept up easily with 4 other instruments and a decent Yamaha PA that the studio owner provided us. BUT with the Focus specifically you better like your tone clean and mean, not overdriven because it just doesn't do that purposely.

Now you take this tone and volume I'm using, and connect up the 410 Schroe instead and eardrums will bleed, plates will fall off the tables, and your bandmates will vehimently complain that you're too freakin' loud.

I just extremely surprised at rehearsal how easily the 1210 kept up with the band, and in the right sized room and acoustics it is all the stage volume one could want. But again, I don't "overboost" the low end...I run it flat or even slightly cut...It's a tone I had to get used to, but it really was a simple adjustment to make.

Congrads on the 1210, let us how it sounds and what the rest of your rig is comprised of, ok?

Lkaye

 

[Bassist30]

Where in NY are you? Are you NYC or are you upstate?

I'm in Syracuse and have a 1212.

Closer to NYC.......... 1212 is exactly what Im interested in...

 

[BurningSkies]

Closer to NYC.......... 1212 is exactly what Im interested in...

Sorry!

There have to be at least a few 1212's in NYC area. Talk to Jorg see if he knows any.

On another note, my 1212 sounded amazing last night. I've been wrasslin' with my amp settings and last night I had loud, very low, and very clean. Sounded great. I only wish we had a sound man that was capable of making it sound that good out front!

 

[garagebassman]

What head / amp preamp are you going to use again with the 1210? What bass do you have?


Congrads on the 1210, let us how it sounds and what the rest of your rig is comprised of, ok?

Lkaye

I'm planning to use the 1210 with a wt400.

The 400 has made some cabs I've had at rehearsal spaces sound warm and punchy, when other previously owned amps couldn't really keep up, tone wise, or sometimes even volume-wise.

With rock/club countrycover band, i'll usually use pbass (80's reissue) or jbass (custom shop).
But with the horn band (8pc), I like to use my stingray 5, and i usually will have pa support with that band, so the 1210 should be able to do all the gigs, except maybe an occasional outdoor one.

I also have a wt800B, for a bigger or non pa gig(s) with eden 410's.

Looking forward to the sr5 wt400 1210 combo in particular !

 

[Juniorkimbrough]

I've seen a few people putting there 1210's and 1212's on their sides when playing. Do you owners of these cab find they sound better this way? And do you put the angled speaker facing down or upwards?