I'm looking at purchasing that 310212 - can anyone compare how it would sound in comparison to an SWR 610 Goliath SR?
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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)
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I've never heard the 310212, but I have directly compared the Goliath Sr. with the Schroeder 410. The Schroeder won, hands down. I found the two cabinets to sound fairly similar on a basic level, but the Schroeder just had a bit more of everything. The thing that really got me was the Schroeder's bottom-end tightness with no loss of depth. If the 410 beats the Goliath Sr., you can draw your own conclusions about the 310212...Son of Bovril said:
Just played my first live show with my brand new Schroeder 1212 on Sat night. 
WOW! its amazing! After playing the show my lead guitarist came to me and said "I could hear every note you played". I was so happy with the way it performed, it cut through the mix beautifully. I use to have a problem with stage volume - not anymore!
The venue was medium sized, with capacity of 150-200 people and I had no PA support. I am only pushing about 475 watts through it, would not mind a little extra headroom - looking into a Carvin 1500 in the future... The GAS does not stop!
WOW! its amazing! After playing the show my lead guitarist came to me and said "I could hear every note you played". I was so happy with the way it performed, it cut through the mix beautifully. I use to have a problem with stage volume - not anymore! The venue was medium sized, with capacity of 150-200 people and I had no PA support. I am only pushing about 475 watts through it, would not mind a little extra headroom - looking into a Carvin 1500 in the future... The GAS does not stop!
damn! So in your opinion, the 410 was louder and better sounding than the SWR 610!? thats quite surprising!
Indeed it was. And a lot easier to carry around, too.Son of Bovril said:
I've heard other people opine that the Schroeder 410 can compete with an 8x10.
damn, that is loud! I hope that is indeed the case, cause I played a gig this weekend with an SWR 610 and SM-900 pushed pretty damn hard, and I could hardly hear myself during the chorus' of our songs - partly the room's fault, but I want an amp that will be loud enough to overcome that kind of situation in most cases... 
Ah....fun weekend
Just want to share a quick story about how fortunate us schroeder users are.
My band played a show friday at one of our local clubs. The place could hold...prolly 400-500 in the main room. This night there was probably about 150(with more upstairs, but there's an ugly story behind that.....)
I had my trusted 1210 and, not to my surpsise the other bands both brought in ampeg 8x10's.
Poor guys.
I've definately decided I'll never own the ampeg 8x10/svtcl combo. The guy who used it sounded good...but was nothing like what I would want to sound like.
Oh...and the best part.
2 of the three cabinets used that night were running into DI boxes
Guess which bassist ran straight rig.....
Hint: It was the same person who didn't require 2 people to lift his cab onstage.
Just want to share a quick story about how fortunate us schroeder users are.
My band played a show friday at one of our local clubs. The place could hold...prolly 400-500 in the main room. This night there was probably about 150(with more upstairs, but there's an ugly story behind that.....)
I had my trusted 1210 and, not to my surpsise the other bands both brought in ampeg 8x10's.
Poor guys.
I've definately decided I'll never own the ampeg 8x10/svtcl combo. The guy who used it sounded good...but was nothing like what I would want to sound like.
Oh...and the best part.
2 of the three cabinets used that night were running into DI boxes
Guess which bassist ran straight rig.....
Hint: It was the same person who didn't require 2 people to lift his cab onstage.
Well, I think the Schroeder 410 will be plenty for you, unless you're playing stadiums. The SM-900 bridged should push the Schroeder just fine. I'm using a 1,600 watt pre/power rig, and it sounds amazing at low volume. I turned it up fairly loud in my basement, and stuff was falling from the ceiling.Son of Bovril said:
To prevent confusion
(I know you guys too well
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I'm not saying that the 1210 can match an 8x10.
But an 8x10 really isn't necessary for this club.
I laughed at those guys......and told them I felt sorry for them
(I know you guys too well
)I'm not saying that the 1210 can match an 8x10.
But an 8x10 really isn't necessary for this club.
I laughed at those guys......and told them I felt sorry for them
Son of Bovril said:
If you want a 310212.....you may want to check with local laws to see if you need a permit
Playing through a pair of 310212 could very well be considered a crime against humanity........but in a good way
death by oober amounts of sweet sounding bass.....I can only think of a couple of better ways to go
SnoBassMan said:
LOL I love it!
On Saturday my friend looked and my little Schro 1212 and right away offered to let me use his York 4x10 set up..he was puzzled when I did not accept his offer..later he found out why. No hard feelings though, I helped him carry his 100lb cab to his car
I still don't get what the big fear is with the 3101212? It's like people that say if you get on a sportbike you'll die. That's why theres a throttle that you are in control of, just like your rig has a volume.
It's just nice to have a little overhead, just like it's nice to have all that extra horsepower when you want to use it
And yeah, still don't feel silly when it's half the size of the 810's and sounds so much better.
It's just nice to have a little overhead, just like it's nice to have all that extra horsepower when you want to use it
And yeah, still don't feel silly when it's half the size of the 810's and sounds so much better.
My thought is that with the 310212, you're starting to get away from two of Schroeder's main benefits.. namely, lighter weight and portability. When I traded in my SWR Goliath Sr. for a Schroeder 410, I got better sound in a package that weighs 37 pounds less and is much easier to carry. The 310212 weighs 105 pounds, which is venturing back into 6x10 territory. The Schroeder 410 is louder than a 6x10, but weighs less than most other 4x10s.troll said:
troll said:I still don't get what the big fear is with the 3101212? It's like people that say if you get on a sportbike you'll die. That's why theres a throttle that you are in control of, just like your rig has a volume.
It's just nice to have a little overhead, just like it's nice to have all that extra horsepower when you want to use it
And yeah, still don't feel silly when it's half the size of the 810's and sounds so much better.
I hope my post didn't come across in such a manner.
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Cause I Reeeeeeeeeaaaalllly want one. I have full intentions of owning one eventually.
I know what my 1210 can do...well, I've actually never pushed it that hard....must buy proper bridging cable.
ok, I know that my 1210 can handle everything I've thrown at it.....just imagining what that monster can do.....makes me know I have to own one.
SnoBassMan said:
*Note*
This was also only done running a sinlge channel of m DMC 1000.
That's 350watts. And I only had it set at about 9 oclock with my preamp gain at noon and master slightly above noon.
Those were the final settings. I had to turn down to those though
And the mix was good in the back of the club....I was running around with my wireless.....
Hey guys, I recently had a cab epiphany. I used to think that if you were in a heavy metal band, that you had to have a great big full stack to keep up. Well lately I've been using a Madison 2x10 and have been able to keep up, so I'm starting to wonder if I should just save up and buy the lightest, loudest cab I can afford.
My initial thoughts were to get a 4x10, but I'm starting to think I may be able to get buy with one of the smaller cabs, such as the 1212, or even a Mini12+ paired with another Mini12.
What would you guys suggest?
My initial thoughts were to get a 4x10, but I'm starting to think I may be able to get buy with one of the smaller cabs, such as the 1212, or even a Mini12+ paired with another Mini12.
What would you guys suggest?
haujobb said:
Sorry for posting so much in this thread today guys....
I play in a very heavy aggressive band. You can see what I mean by the link in my sig.
The recordings weren't done with the schroeder, but I've used my 1210 at ever show since I've owned it.
You can read my previous posts from today(or prior) to see how pleased I am.
haujobb said:
I would get the 1212 or 1210! I have both plus a pair of Mini 12's, and while the Mini 12's sound great and have their own sonic place, they don't put out the massive low end of the other two. If you need something a little more portable, the Mini 12's are great though. Just my two pennies
Dave Siff said:
Right, right. I know. I get that. But theres often been this underlying murmur that it's like some dastardly monster that threatens to blow your house down at any moment. It's really not that fierce people
I fully understand the beauty of the small cabs, and I fully intend on grabbing one at some point. I guess I just wanted to vent a little. The 3101212 is a tame little pony. And compared to the BXT cabs I had that weighed in at 125 a piece for a 410, I'll take the louder, fuller sounding lighter big box anyday
I think it should be renamed to the '810 killer'
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