Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

[Larry Kaye]

I've found that as long as the room is not a loud, boomy/echoey room in that medium or less 150-200ish capacity, that the single 1210 with minimal PA support tends to work out real well. Being a bit older and still somewhat old fashion, I like trying to play as loud as I can within the balance of the band and room and let the PA supplement me. I've had very very rare complaints since I bought the Schroeders (and before frankly) of playing too loud on stage, even with bands where I had no PA support at all. I feel that if you get a pleasing tone (try to not overboost the very low end on stage) play dynamically and make use of different volumns where you should, and don't constantly overplay or only peddle your lowest B string or highest g string notes, I know this is a lot of variables, and of course remember to play the right parts!!!, I feel you can get away with playing a little louder on stage. The low end if it's not playing havoc with bleeding through the mics on stage, is not anywhere near as loud as a guitar, keys, or snare or cymbals.

I wonder also whether anyone with a Schroeder has had issues with getting a certain head or pre/poweramp setup to sound good to them. It seems as though literally everyone has been able to get a great tone with just about any head/amp tube, hybrid, or straight SS. Is the "signature sound" of the Schroeder cabinets that strong that all these heads and different basses are essentially sounding "the same?" or at least extremely similar because of being wired to a Schroe? I can't believe that's the case but unless we start hearing of more instances of talkbassers saying that "yeah, it sounds great with my EAiamp800, but I couldn't get a decent thing outta my xxxxx, or yyyyy, or aaaaa amp, I'm gonna have to start believing it's all in the cabinet.

 

[spectorbass83]

I wonder also whether anyone with a Schroeder has had issues with getting a certain head or pre/poweramp setup to sound good to them. It seems as though literally everyone has been able to get a great tone with just about any head/amp tube, hybrid, or straight SS. Is the "signature sound" of the Schroeder cabinets that strong that all these heads and different basses are essentially sounding "the same?" or at least extremely similar because of being wired to a Schroe? I can't believe that's the case but unless we start hearing of more instances of talkbassers saying that "yeah, it sounds great with my EAiamp800, but I couldn't get a decent thing outta my xxxxx, or yyyyy, or aaaaa amp, I'm gonna have to start believing it's all in the cabinet.

I have not gotten a chance to test out the Schroeder cab with any other amps other than my own. There is a nice Eden Traveler 550 that I found yesterday, I am dying to try it out with my 1212..My Peavey sounds good, but it weighs just as much as my cab! lol.

 

[Larry Kaye]

used it with two 410 cabs. Let's try to remember,,,,,I usually can remember years or time by relating to vacations taken around then, which wife I was married to!!!, or which equipment I had at the time, and believe or not, the Peavey I remembered because of an ex-wife!! That stack was AWESOME at the time and was the first time I had owned a major league loud rig since selling my two SVT bottoms and Acoustic 370 head and my Sunn Coliseum with two sunn folded horn ev sro equipt 2 15 bottoms. Talking about some heavy schlepping....MANALIVE...

I know that Peavey has made some attempts to lighten up their heads with the Alpha and the 1000 watter (forget the name), but the 700 you have ain't no lite puppy is it? What's the wattage on that one......is it 700 at 2 or 4 ohms? Can it go down to 2?

I still have to seriously recommend the AI Focus, especially now that I've changed strings. I've been able to get a really decent tone with more than enough volume out of it and there's very little overlapping of the tone controls on the amp and on my bass, so it's like having a 7 band, useable eq between the two + I have a switchable mid frequency on my bass although I don't use the 750 one. I seem to gravitate to the 250 all the time....I try to run it as close to flat as possible, but boy does it add punch. It also does play a little havoc with our pa at times because it's right in the lower range of all the instruments and the vocals. Oh well, never quite a perfect world

Lkaye.

 

[Scooperman]

I wonder also whether anyone with a Schroeder has had issues with getting a certain head or pre/poweramp setup to sound good to them. It seems as though literally everyone has been able to get a great tone with just about any head/amp tube, hybrid, or straight SS. Is the "signature sound" of the Schroeder cabinets that strong that all these heads and different basses are essentially sounding "the same?" or at least extremely similar because of being wired to a Schroe? I can't believe that's the case but unless we start hearing of more instances of talkbassers saying that "yeah, it sounds great with my EAiamp800, but I couldn't get a decent thing outta my xxxxx, or yyyyy, or aaaaa amp, I'm gonna have to start believing it's all in the cabinet.

There is a signature sound to the Schro's, no doubt, but I wouldn't say that it's overpowering, so you still can definitely hear the personality of the amp driving it. Since I like all of my heads, I like them all through the 1210.

I sure that if I payed through an amp that I didn't like, I'm sure that I would not be thrilled with the sound coming from the cab!

 

[Larry Kaye]

that I brought that bright spanking new head home or got it delivered and in spite of my best efforts it just didn't sound good with any combination of cabinets I've had.

I've taken my 1210 to a local GC and it doesn't seem to matter which of their heads I use through it, it sounds good. That included Mesa Walkabout and Pulse 600, Ampeg SVT 4 pro and SVT classic all tube, a used GK Rb1000 (older model with 500 watts at 4 ohms), an SWR 550. These amps have their "signature" sound but I was able with a minimum amount of tweaking to get a really consistent, fairly comparable tone outta each head.

I can't say that's the case in the past when I was trying out heads with other cabinets....some sounded good, some sounded tremendous. None of 'em were terrible. I'm wondering for instance how the GK's sound through a Schroe for instance because they seem to be reasonably priced, smaller/lighter than a lotta of what's available and the 4 band eq on the GK fits "nicely" around the lowmid "bump" frequency center that's not a boost cut available on the GK.

Lkaye

 

[Chef]

Larry;
I did have *one* problem job with my 1210. Hardwood floors, hard walls, hard everything. No carpet anywhere, big square room. PLaying my Lakland Hollowbody with flats on it, using my TFB420 with everything flat as I usually do, timbre just a little to the bright side.
Mud city.
I ended up giving up on the Lakland, and switched to my Rev 5L with nickelrounds. Problem solved. This was one of the first times I tired laying the 1210 down longways. I usually play it "tall" with the 10 firing at me, as much due to stage space contraints. It did not occur to me that laying it down was coupling it to the floor harder.
I attribute this one bad experience to a combination of flatwounds, a thikcer sounding bass, and my own stupidity. I bet if I'd uncoupled the czab from the floor, my problem would have been solved. Switching basses and getting what I wanted indicates to me that it was not all the cabs fault, and I'm still a rabid schroeder user. I'll probably buy another soon

 

[Halftooth]

I have not gotten a chance to test out the Schroeder cab with any other amps other than my own. There is a nice Eden Traveler 550 that I found yesterday, I am dying to try it out with my 1212..My Peavey sounds good, but it weighs just as much as my cab! lol.

The WT-550 with either 1210 or 1212 is an amazing combo! It's a light and loud pair to say the least. The 550 is seriously one of the loudest 550 watt amp that I've plugged into, and the Schroeder cabs really use that wattage nicely.

 

[spectorbass83]

I know that Peavey has made some attempts to lighten up their heads with the Alpha and the 1000 watter (forget the name), but the 700 you have ain't no lite puppy is it? What's the wattage on that one......is it 700 at 2 or 4 ohms? Can it go down to 2?

My Peavey is 700 watts at 2 ohms, 475 watts at 4 ohms, 275 watts at 8 ohms. The drawback is that it only has a 3 band eq and that it weighs over 50 lbs...

 

[spectorbass83]

The WT-550 with either 1210 or 1212 is an amazing combo! It's a light and loud pair to say the least. The 550 is seriously one of the loudest 550 watt amp that I've plugged into, and the Schroeder cabs really use that wattage nicely.

Really? This strikes my interest...I will see about trying it out this weekend if I get a chance...they are asking $1049 Canadian for it...

 

[toddtodd]

I'm wondering for instance how the GK's sound through a Schroe for instance because they seem to be reasonably priced, smaller/lighter than a lotta of what's available and the 4 band eq on the GK fits "nicely" around the lowmid "bump" frequency center that's not a boost cut available on the GK.

Lkaye

my 1001rbII killed with my 1212.
i traded it for a more powerfull pre/power setup only because i was really interested in this exact setup and the guy was local. i have yet to gig with the new setup but if i dont like it as much i ill go out and buy another gk1001rbII with out even thinking about it.
that combo slayed.

ps. i ran the EQ/contour buttons FLAT except the low mid (250) at 3 o'clock. tweeter at about noon on the cab. no PA in small/med clubs with a loud fast punk rock band.

-todd

 

[uglybassplayer]

I'm wondering for instance how the GK's sound through a Schroe for instance because they seem to be reasonably priced, smaller/lighter than a lotta of what's available and the 4 band eq on the GK fits "nicely" around the lowmid "bump" frequency center that's not a boost cut available on the GK.

Larry, my setup consists of Peavy Cirrus --> GK 1001RB-II --> 1210 (I've had the head & cabinet for a little over a year now). I've talked about it before quite a bit in other threads, but to summarize... It's very loud, powerful and punchy. All in all I'm very pleased with the combination. I would like to try the GK with a 1212 just to hear the difference... May one day I'll have to pay a visit to James Hart and try out his 1212.

- Ugly.

 

[Brian Barrett]

I ordered some neat stuff today. A painting by a favourite artist that's currently in a gallery in Denver. Sadly, I won't get it until roughly late January as the painting is part of a show that runs until Jan 21 and my 55-lb Schroeder neo 21012 won't ship until after NAMM.

It's been a great week. Won a poker tournament last Saturday night, took a bunch of friends to see a fave band on Wednesday night (Clutch), got a copy of the new STOKE cd (one of the bands I play in), and then today's news caps it off ! Right-on.

Oh, yea..... the new cabs........ not your daddies neo cabinet for sure

Clutch is a great band, haven't heard anyway say their name in a while. Shoot me some tunes of the band Stoke!

 

[jerry]

Did I miss a meeting or something? The Neo cabs are here? Info please

 

[Brian Barrett]

Are you able to give details? I've heard some info. but I'm foggy on it so please correct me if this is wrong - these are apparently a new breed of neos ... or at least more reliable? I know Jorg has been very concerned about getting the sound right - making sure there are real lows - and has done a lot of testing live.

What can you or Jorg say about it? And is there any way to shave off even a few more pounds?

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I couldn't get the second link to pull up anything.


Schroeder Lights...
The Light series will be definitely introduced at NAMM; still testing 2 brands of newly developed neo drivers (1 from England 1 domestic) and both models sound very good and reliable.

The frequency responses and specs between the Lights and the regulars are very close, and the Lights handle a low B beautifully.

For example:
410 regular: 1400 Watts Lights: 1200 watts
310212 regular: 2100 Watts Lights: 1700 Watts
21012 regular: 1200 Watts Lights: 1000 Watts
1212 regular: 1000 Watts Lights 800 Watts
1210 regular: 850 Watts Lights 700 Watts
1010 regular: 700 Watts Lights: 600 Watts
Mini 12 regular: 500Watts Lights: 400 Watts

 

[joetiii]

Whats the difference tween the 1210 and 1212 soundwise?

I'm thinking I love my GS112 and Eden 2x10 and a combo of the 12 & 10 would give me the best of both. The aggis has nice warm bottom & the Eden has nice tight punch. Comments?

I play mostly blues in small bars and an occassional outside venue.

BTW, Jorg had a for sale sign on his Mesa D180 that I'm stoked to have on its way to me! Coupling it with one of his cabs would be righteous!

 

[Halftooth]

Whats the difference tween the 1210 and 1212 soundwise?

The 1212 is darker sounding to my ears than the 1210. If I was to do only one cab, I'd go for the 1210 for a better all-around sound. The 1212 is very good sounding to, but I prefer it when combined with the 1210.

 

[James Hart]

The 1212 is darker sounding to my ears than the 1210. If I was to do only one cab, I'd go for the 1210 for a better all-around sound. The 1212 is very good sounding to, but I prefer it when combined with the 1210.

I hind them very similar...

the darkness is a plus for me, I love the pair to death but if I take one, it's the 1212. It's more me

 

[Chef]

I'm not gonna speak for Jorg, but the conversations I've had with him would indicate significant wieght savings in the Neo based cabs. I think that's pretty exciting for cabs that are already lightwieght killers!

 

[Matt Morgan]

I've been waiting for these cabs!
I can't wait to see the final specs on these. I'd love to get a lightweight do-it-all cab like a 21012.
I hope the tone and especially the efficiency ratings stay the same. A 55lb. 21012, 1000w at 104db efficiency would be awesome!

 

[SnoMan]

I hope you know you're a very bad person.

To have one of the large cabinets thats only slightly heavier than my 1210...gah...that's sick


And going to see clutch...There were here about a month ago, but I had to miss due to financial issues at the time....bleh

I ordered some neat stuff today. A painting by a favourite artist that's currently in a gallery in Denver. Sadly, I won't get it until roughly late January as the painting is part of a show that runs until Jan 21 and my 55-lb Schroeder neo 21012 won't ship until after NAMM.

It's been a great week. Won a poker tournament last Saturday night, took a bunch of friends to see a fave band on Wednesday night (Clutch), got a copy of the new STOKE cd (one of the bands I play in), and then today's news caps it off ! Right-on.