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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

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#581
I swear I'm not trying to be a professional thread interrupter today. Sorry.

Thanks Biker! I'll be stoked to get it whenever Chris gets to it.

Embellisher: I agree with you totally. I don't see any point in leaving the nice axes at home unless you're truly playing a place where stuff gets thrown at the band, etc., or you've got some band members pogo-ing around the stage without concern for equipment.

Any place I couldn't take my nicest electric is a place I wouldn't want to play anyway. I *will* say that I won't take my upright any place that I wouldn't take my mother.

Speaking of, has anybody given the 1210 a go with upright? (Unless somebody wants to do some serious 'splaining to my wife.) Saw the one quote from the upright player on Jorg's site.

Will
 
#582
embellisher said:
But with things like a Nordstrand SC5, a Zon Sonus Custom and a Peavey Cirrus 6 around, it is hard to get excited about Fenders, Westones, Ibanez and Lakland Skylines.
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Amen Brother! to my eyes all else pales compared to my #1 !!! I guard it with my life when it's not strapped to me... but I've not taken another bass out of the house since it arrived!
 
#583
Wilbyman asked about how the Schroeder works with upright. Since getting my 1210, which I then exchanged for a 1212 last week, I've only used it with upright. I was going to wait until Friday and Saturday's gigs were played before writing again, but I've had three rehearsal's worth of playing--with three very different types of bands--and I'll add a few comments about the Schroeders and upright/EUB.

On Monday night, I took my Eminence EUB, the 1212 and my WW Ultra to a rehearsal for a 13-piece mini big band that I play with regularly that does early, jumping, swing music from the 1930's very authentically. Most of the charts are takedowns from the original Fletcher Henderson, Casa Loma Orchestra, Benny Goodmen, Jimmy Lunceford, etc. records, and they are incredibly difficult for the horns. This genre calls for a very traditional string bass sound--when we were working a lot during the swing revival, I played my upright strung with gut strings and used very little amplification. I have to say that I wasn't all that pleased with the sound for this band, but my unhappiness was a combination of having the Eminence with the 1212 powered by the WWU. It just didn't sound acoustic enough. I have been able to get by with an acceptable, acoustic-like sound with the Eminence played through a Contra. I found that I had to turn the bass EQ down to about 9:00 and come off the volume a whole bunch to get away from an electric sound.

On Tuesday, I played a rehearsal for Friday's gig with a jazz sextet--tpt, tenor plus 4 rhythm--in the living room of the leader. I took my good upright with its Schertler StatB pickup, the 1212 and the WWU. The energy level of this band is pretty high and the charts are a mixture of slightly modified covers of jazz tunes that sound modern without being fusion-like. I strive for an aggressive, upright sound--think Ron Carter, Eddie Gomez, Dave Holland combined. I thought the above combo of gear worked wonderfully and I loved the big full sound I got out of the Schroder while maintaining the sound of an acoustic bass with that fat fundamental followed by decay. Tomorrow's gig with this band is outside in a college President's back yard--we're playing the Freshman orientation reception for this small college--and I'll know even more because of the demands of being outside.

Last night I got called at the last minute to sub for a guy on upright with an 18-piece big band that turned out to be fairly lame, although the charts and the drummer/piano players were pretty good so it was not a total fiasco. They must be used to having mostly electric players on the chair, because I was asked to turn up. We were playing in a large room, and this gave me a chance to put the Schroeder through its paces a bit. I was very happy with the clean, loud sound I was able to get with solid definition and none of the tubby, boomy sound that can happen when an acoustic bass with a pickup turns up the volume. The Schroeder definitely performed better than the cabinets I have been using in the past. However, it is really hard without using a mic to keep the instrument from sounding increasingly like a bass guitar because the sustain gets up so much. I love having the bass out front when I'm playing bass guitar, but I don't feel that AUB should be mixed that way, and it sounded a little strange to my ears.

Saturday night I'm playing with a different big band at a concert in an amphitheatre in a public park. I'll know a lot more about how the Schroeder performs after the Friday and Saturday gigs and will come back with further comments early next week.
 
#584
Wow, that's a great response! Thanks for all that!

Why didn't the 1210 work for you, if you don't mind me asking? That seemed like the one that I would definitely be interested in.

You say you prefer the 1212 to your other cabs, which I see include a Bergantino HT112 (I think that was in your profile...). That's what I'm running with a Clarus, and I'm getting a pretty great and natural sound with my Underwood. I used to go for the Eddie Gomez sound (it's a great sound!) but now I seem to be rocking a more traditional Ray Brown sound. It happened before I could stop it. The HT is great but is a little bottom shy when you're running one cab...and I imagine more bottom end is one thing you're citing as an improvement.

Thanks for that review. There you go getting me interested in these things...
 
#585
The 1210 was great and it was a difficult decision to swap. I ultimately did it because I thought the 1212 sound was fatter, with more bottom, and that it would be better for upright. Once I get rid of my other cabs, I may well buy a 1210 too so that I have a choice. These cab's are so loud that I can't imagine ever having to use two of them however, even for BG gigs with my three-horn band.

I used my HT112 exclusively for bass guitar because I couldn't get enough bottom out of it when playing upright without cranking up the bass in the ampl's eq, not that this is such a bad thing. I do like the sound of the Clarus mated to an Acme B-1 a lot for upright, and will not be selling that cabinet.

Erik Lars Hansen
Los Angeles
 
#586
Hopefully this will be my last posting for awhile. As promised, I'm writing to relate my experience with my Schroeder 1212 played at two outdoor gigs this weekend. I took my carved upright with Schertler StatB, my WW Ultra and the 1212 to each gig. Friday's gig was a jazz sextet set up on a wooden deck in a backyard playing to about 100 people, about 30 of whom were sitting at tables right in front of the area where the band set up.

Tonight's gig was with a modern 17-piece big band in a small outdoor amphiteatre that probably seated 150 people. I'm very happy with the results I got from the 1212 on both gigs.

Although I thought Friday's gig might require a lot of power, the close proximity of the audience caused all of us to play at very low volumes. For the first time since owning the 1212, I got it up off the floor, placing it on a bench immediately behind me. This was a chair height bench that wrapped around the entire outdoor deck. Getting the amp off the floor took away all of the boominess that I struggled to control in the 30's band rehearsal earlier in the week. I got a lot of compliments from the other guys in the band as to how natural and full my instrument sounded, and yet the volume was quite low.
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Tonight with the big band, I took one of those small fairly rigid foam wedges that someone sells and slid it under the 1212 which itself was sitting on a concrete deck on the ground at the bottom of the amphitheatre. There was a full PA, and the sound guy mic'd my 1212. Again, the sound with upright was wonderful--loud yet natural with no boominess and great note definition. I don't think I needed the PA mic but could have been plenty loud with only the WW Ultra and the 1212. However, I didn't want to turn down the offer of amplification when everyone else, including the drummer, was mic'd.

So. After a week of hard use, I feel totally comfortable that this speaker cabinet is great for upright in a variety of settings. Maybe this post should be in the Upright forum since I haven't had the chance to use it on a gig with bass guitar yet. Hopefully that will happen soon since I make more money playing bass guitar than upright ;->) I do think for upright that getting the cab off the floor or isolated form the floor a foam wedge goes a long way to stopping the boominess while still being thick and full of bass.

Erik Hansen
Los Angeles
 
#587
Lownote, thanks for the last couple of posts. I've been wondering what "an upright player with an educated ear" might think of these cabs, and I'm now leaning towards buying one more than ever.

{Mesa 400+} + Schroeder 21012 = no more problems being heard, ever. I hope! I'm currently using an swr super redhead, and a goliath III, and while everyone else in the room and on the stage can hear me, I can't. Too transparent right next to the rig, or something. I think more power, all tube power, and the omnidirectional nature of the schroeders will fill the bill eh?
 
#588
Chef,

Given how loud the 1210 and the 1212 can get, you should be able to play far louder than you will ever need to with the bigger speaker. Other than trying to fill up an outdoor concert venue, playing with other amplified instruments, I will never need to get any louder than what I can get out of the 1212 with my WW Ultra or AI Focus. Should I land one of those outdoor gigs, I would fully expect it to have a full house PA anyhow. Make sure you're taking care of your ears if you're playing at those kinds of volumes. Hearing aids are nowhere!

Erik Hansen
 
#589
I used an swr strawberry blonde for jazz quartets, and I'll use the mesa/schroeder rig for my R*B jobs, and bigger jazz venues. I'll never need that kind of volume, but I do feel I need that kind of headroom, and the "omnidirectionality" of the schroeder cab.
I don't dig leaving jobs with my ears ringing....
 
#593
I've been reading this thread with a lot of interest. I believe someone was looking at mono-bridging their SVT-4Pro into one of Jorg's 1210 cabs - any feedback on how this sounds? Transverz , I think?

Current rig is the 4Pro mono-bridged into an Eden d410xlt, which is great, but heavy. I'd love to have one cab that could do the same job at half the weight.

Thoughts?
 
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uglycicles said:
I've been reading this thread with a lot of interest. I believe someone was looking at mono-bridging their SVT-4Pro into one of Jorg's 1210 cabs - any feedback on how this sounds? Transverz , I think?

Current rig is the 4Pro mono-bridged into an Eden d410xlt, which is great, but heavy. I'd love to have one cab that could do the same job at half the weight.

Thoughts?
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I don't know about the 4pro... but the Stewart 2.1 bridged is phenomenal through the 1210. (Purity preamp).
 
#595
Yup, that was me!

Well, I was saving my main review for when I do that outdoor festival I was going to do next week, but here is my super-quick, rehearsal room review:

Mono-bridging the SVT-4Pro proves to be no problem whatsoever for the Schroeder. By my estimation, and numerous other accounts, including Mr. Schroeder himself, this cab could take double the power my SVT 4 Pro is giving it.

I am running mono-bridged with the gain set to 12:00 (1/2). I am EQ'd a bit bass heavy (I'll explain why later) with slightly less mids and about the same treble. Compression at 9:00 (1/4). No ultra low or ultra high or bright buttons used. I am using a passive Standard Fender Jazz with the active/passive button set accordingly (unused).

With the master volume level at 9:00 (1/4) it is definitely loud enough for practice. With it at 12:00 (1/2), I feel like I am way overtaking the rest of the band and can't play at this volume unless I wanted to destroy our mix. I play with a loud drummer and two rack-powered halfstacks (one Marshall, one Mesa Boogie). But I am heard loud and clear anywhere from a little below 1/4 on up in master volume. I sit well in the mix with the ability to stand out if I want to by adjusting some technique. Putting on a much needed new set of strings and and even more needed setup done to it helped out a lot. At first I felt it wasn't articulate enough or was muddy. But I suspected my bass and my EQing was the culprit. And after re-EQing, and the string change/better bass setup, the cabinet came more alive. Of course, this is with my modest Fender Jazz, YM*WILL*V because you are probably playing a bass with better pickups, better etc.

The Schroeder gets low, deep, and cuts through a mix. The attenuator, as usual, gives you a good amount of control of how dark or bright you want to get, and EQing of course will take it even farther. I would have to say that I really am hearing the sound of my bass (perhaps even enhancing some of it's "lesser" qualities) and would be much interested in hearing some other basses on it. Actually, with my Fender Standard Jazz on it, it gets low, but more midrangey and growley. Great for 1/2 of what I want with my sound, but I do want more added low end. This cab has already proven that it can go WAY LOW as per my demo with a 6-string that was amazingly deep. So I've come to a personal conclusion that I need to change pickups in order to get more than that Standard Jazz growl. I want to go deeper and fuller as well.

But to re-iterate, this cab can dish out the lows and punch them out with authority, it's just that I'm giving you the real results of my test with my limited equipment and know that I am limited in test scope. I then employ EQ to get more of what I want and the Schroeder hasn't even come close to running out of steam. I have tried with my SVT 4 and even my BDDI to get it to fart but couldn't do it. Of course I wasn't willing to send my amp/cab/ears to hell to do it, but I feel I gave it the same go that got a lot of my other cabs to give up and fart out.

*what happened to the quick review? Shut up, this cab is awesome. :D *

My rig looks like a harmless little thing sitting way lower than my rhythm's 4x12 and my leads pair of stacked 2x12s. But stupid be the person if they don't think I can blow your ear drums out of your head if I wanted to. I move around playing right in front of it to about 15 feet away (I have a 21ft cord). The SPL and punch when I drop my head to 3 feet in front of cab level blows me away in terms of hearing that BASS. As I move farther away, the sound stays pretty much the same, except of course warmer and warmer, using more of the room for it's sound. And I'm playing in a foam lined, sound killing rehearsal studio. The sound from 15 feet away is still very punchy and really surrounds you. The drummer, who sits about 5 feet away, but a bit behind and to the left (way out of line of sight) reports that he has never been able to hear my bass so well until I got the cab. This was great news to me and further proof of someone who noticed the difference immediately without me having to explain anything to him. In fact, they didn't even notice anything different with my rig when looking at it (B*ASTARDS!) but they redeemed themself when after a few songs they started looking at my rig and then noticed the cab change. (How you can't notice a huge 4x10 go to the compact Schroeder, I'll never understand. But hey, they can't all be like us, right? ;) :bassist: )

All in all, IMHO, the best value for a high-quality cab by far. There are other cabs that are also great and way more value-priced, but don't have this kind of performance, compactness, lightweight and ease of carrying, quality build, and sound. There are other fine cabs that are of equal value/cost or even more expensive, but all seem to remain on par with the build quality of the Schroeder. For me, it then just comes down physical, sound, and build preferences. With the amount of configuration options that Schroeder offeres, and the variety of all they can do, I'm sure one could find a solution somewhere in their product line.

All that being said, I really want another one! With two cabs going to 4 ohms, I would have to run parallel channels but it would be all good to me. I can't even imagine what that would sound like! OH MAN! Plus I'll have a stack that will come closer to matching the visual with the low-end destruction I'll be causing :D :bassist:

So much for anything written by me to be short. I should have known better. My outdoor festival review will come soon. Thanks for reading!

-T
 
#596
The Low End Distribution website has a lot of pictures onsite from Summer 2004 NAMM, including pics from their Schroeder display.

Some of the basses in these pics are just unbelievable!

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#597
Transverz ,

You. freakin. rock. :hyper:

Thanks so much for the review, really nice to be able to get an opinion that might match my setup. I'm playing a mid-70s Jazz bass 50-70% of the time with my current outfit, so your observations are more in line with my potential configuration than you think.

Just out of curiosity, what styles of music is your group playing?

[Now someone buy my P-Bass so I can fund this sucker! :D ]
 
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MichaelVee said:
The Low End Distribution website has a lot of pictures onsite from Summer 2004 NAMM, including pics from their Schroeder display.

Some of the basses in these pics are just unbelievable!

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remarkable webdesign too :cool:

Chris B makes some killer basses, the others at the booth looked great too.

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#599
uglycicles,

Thanks dude, glad that was helpful to someone other than those that are finding an alternative to sleeping pills... ;)

I play in a heavy-ish, alternative rock, type thing band. I dunno how to describe it. It's just weird. haha. If anyone wants, check out some samples of our strange music here:

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We are 1 day away from putting up a new song (I feel our best yet) so if these don't "float your boat", check back this weekend.

Thanks!

-T
 
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Transverz said:
uglycicles,

I play in a heavy-ish, alternative rock, type thing band. I dunno how to describe it. It's just weird. haha.
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How about... New Found Glory (or Brand New) meets Metallica's Kill Them All (on "Be Afraid" at least). Which indeed = weirdest thing I ever heard :D . Actually, it's rather unique; that's nice to hear.

And "Birds and Bees" sounds VERY familiar. Sounds like Beatles meets a Disney musical. Can't put my finger on which song exactly yet, but I'm workin' on it.

And, of course, "Sweet Lucy Asleep" sounds like a metal version of [edit:] "King Tut." (the beginning at least) :D

Sean

EDIT: And great website design! Also the illustrations are really good (Adobe Illustrator obviously). Finally, I found this on the homepage odd: "Hi, I'm Jill. Today i laughed at a soup."
Um, oookay..... :rolleyes: :D
 
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