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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

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All of this is really, really encouraging...thanks...

I'm glad the tweeters are, in your opinions, smooth and pleasing. I think I've been victim of way too many cabs that is making troublesome treble for me. I can't get rid of harshness and super-revealing highs without getting too extreme with my EQing. Then again, it could be my bass. I dunno anymore. I just want this cab so I can know for sure I have something at least lots of people agree is decent if not great. Then I can focus my attention comfortably on other things (bass, amp, MY PLAYING :D )

Also, 1600watts through it?! :eek: Wow! Alright! Glad to hear it handles that much wattage for someone out there, with care and precaution of course.

Very, very cool.

-T
 
I just have to chime in here. I've been using my Schroeder 1210 for about 3 weeks. It's sitting right on top of my "El Whappo". And it sounds phenomenal. As for power.... I'm using a Stewart 2.1 bridged. When running the little cab by itself...... I have to work really hard, and crank everything to make that cab start farting out. It just seems to love the power. It doesn't seem to NEED it though. Not in the same way the big old "El Whappo" likes 600 watts or more to get it to even start talking.

Obviously they are completely different cabs. But I find myself using the 1210 for almost everything. The only thing I've used the "El Whappo" for lately is to hold up the Schroeder. (of course, for the kind of lows that make your heart skip a beat, and tie your insides into knots... the "El Whappo" is King!!)
 
Thanks James and Biker4Him!

I am no longer scared to try and run my SVT 4Pro through it bridged. I think it's going to make me cry uncle before it'll even blink.

Yeah! Man, my 8 space SKB shockmount is going to be even bigger than my 1210. HAHAHA! I think that will look ridiculous, huh? It maybe time to switch racks.

-T
 
Biker4Him said:
I just have to chime in here. I've been using my Schroeder 1210 for about 3 weeks. It's sitting right on top of my "El Whappo". And it sounds phenomenal. As for power.... I'm using a Stewart 2.1 bridged. When running the little cab by itself...... I have to work really hard, and crank everything to make that cab start farting out. It just seems to love the power. It doesn't seem to NEED it though. Not in the same way the big old "El Whappo" likes 600 watts or more to get it to even start talking.

Obviously they are completely different cabs. But I find myself using the 1210 for almost everything. The only thing I've used the "El Whappo" for lately is to hold up the Schroeder. (of course, for the kind of lows that make your heart skip a beat, and tie your insides into knots... the "El Whappo" is King!!)
How do the highs and mids compare between the El Whappo and the Schroeder?
 
Biker4Him said:
I just have to chime in here. I've been using my Schroeder 1210 for about 3 weeks. It's sitting right on top of my "El Whappo". And it sounds phenomenal. As for power.... I'm using a Stewart 2.1 bridged. When running the little cab by itself...... I have to work really hard, and crank everything to make that cab start farting out. It just seems to love the power. It doesn't seem to NEED it though. Not in the same way the big old "El Whappo" likes 600 watts or more to get it to even start talking.

Obviously they are completely different cabs. But I find myself using the 1210 for almost everything. The only thing I've used the "El Whappo" for lately is to hold up the Schroeder. (of course, for the kind of lows that make your heart skip a beat, and tie your insides into knots... the "El Whappo" is King!!)

B4H, glad you're digging your Schroeder.

I'm sure you've tried the 1210 on the floor.

That's the best way to get the most out of the low end that the 1210 can produce.

I'm sure you already know this, just wanted to make sure... ;)
 
tombowlus-

To my imperfect ear, the E.W. is much more "true". It offers out exactly what is put into it. With my Benavente or Fbass into the Read preamp.. that's what I want. Those basses have great voices... why screw them up! Until last month my slap/pop technique was... well... popless. I've actually been spending 3 to 4 hours a day every day (since I got home from the DFW get together) listening to Victor and a few others, and sitting in front of the metronome. So.. the highs were generally untested in both.

I would say that the 1210 is not as "true" as the E.W. It seems to offer what I might call a more throaty voice. I like it. It's NOT an ampeg tone, and it's not Eden. It's just a little added warmth.

The highs are very smooth in the 1210. My re-dedication to practice as of late has found me doing most of it without being "plugged in". Just sitting and playing...(still not as fast as Victor... but hey... I'm 1000% times better than I was 3 weeks ago.. anyway.. back to the story) When I practice plugged in, it's been with the 1210. The highs are not harsh. I haven't used my new found skills in live or band situations yet. When I'm playing with the guys, they love the 1210. The mids just cut thru!! Without being mid-heavy. It's just a warmer all around box than the E.W.

Obviously.. the E.W. is a better cabinet. It's 3 times the price, and 3 times the size.. it's supposed to better. I haven't been able to get another cable yet, but what I am really looking forward to...... is using both!!!


Hey lo-freq--

yep, sitting it on the floor does help the low end. But for space saving I stack it on top of the E.W. in the practice room. But either way, it doesn't have the low end of the E.W. It's close... but not the same.
 
Biker4Him said:
Obviously.. the E.W. is a better cabinet. It's 3 times the price, and 3 times the size.. it's supposed to better.

The El Whappo better be a better cab for 3 times the price. The prices on those Accugrooves are outrageous, BTW (but probably worth it - you get what you pay for usually as they say).


I haven't been able to get another cable yet, but what I am really looking forward to...... is using both!!!

I'm looking forward to that as well. Report back!
 
Maybe Jorg should think about putting an 18 and 2 10's in one of his big boxes... That ought to KILL!!!

I think my new cables will arrive tomorrow, and then I can try the El Whappo and 1210 together. It ought to be enough to actually measure on the ricter scale!!
 
Biker4Him said:
Maybe Jorg should think about putting an 18 and 2 10's in one of his big boxes... That ought to KILL!!!

I think my new cables will arrive tomorrow, and then I can try the El Whappo and 1210 together. It ought to be enough to actually measure on the ricter scale!!

If he makes a 15"/12" cab I'd buy it. This 2 ohm impedence has been really messing with my brain :)
 
After monitoring this incredible thread, I finally took action and contacted Jorg regarding his cabinets. Since we both live in the L.A. area, I made arrangements to go to his place today and hear them for myself. With the demise of the LA Bass Exchange a few years ago, there has been no place for local players to audition high end equipment. As helpful as it is to read all of the reviews here and elsewhere, there is still no substitute for hearing something with your own ears.

Jorg couldn't have been nicer and agreed to have me come to his home to try the cabinets. He even delayed the start of his power trio rehearsal to accommodate me. I brought my string bass and a Kubicki Ex-Factor 4 string, my Walter Woods Ultra amp, an Acme B1 (my main string bass speaker) and a Bergantino HT112, my main bass guitar speaker. While I've been happy with my string bass sound, the trip to hear the Schroeders was brought about by my increasing unhappiness with the Bergie that I pair with either an EA VL110 or an older Avatar single 12 for bass guitar and doubling rigs.

He had a 1210 and a 1212 for me to audition, both of which were available for sale although a large stack of cabinets in the corner of his garage had already been sold and were headed out to other about-to-be-happy customers. To say I was blown away by the sound of these cabinets is an understatement. They are incredibly loud, very accurate, can handle vast amounts of power with no distortion or farting, and sounded equally good for both string bass and bass guitar. The difficult decision was which of the two to buy. After tons of going back and forth, I fianally decided on the 1210. I loved the sound of the 1212--it was louder and darker--but I finally decided that the 1210 would do a better job of cutting through the mix of my three-horn band that is going to be the main use.

After playing through each of the Schroeders for a long time, I then hooked up the Acme and then the Bergtantino to hear what they sounded like and as a check that the Schroeders sounded as good as I thought. There was simply no comparison. The Acme is still fine for string bass, although the relative lack of efficiency means that I have to really goose the volume to match the output of the Schroeder. However, the Bergantino didn't hold up as a stand alone cabinet--and this might be a very unfair comparison since I don't think that Bergantino ever anticipated the HT112 as being used this way when he designed it. The Bergantino simply sounded too thin in comparison.

I'm completely knocked out by these cabinets, and may end up buying the 1212 as well so that I have a choice in the future. There is no question that only one cabinet will be plenty in all of the playing situations that I encounter. Of course, that's good since neither the Woods nor the AI Focus will handle loads of less than 4 ohms. I now understand why this thread has grown to such an incredible length. These cabinets are a working bass player's dream.

Erik Lars Hansen
Los Angeles
 
LowNote said:
I'm completely knocked out by these cabinets, and may end up buying the 1212 as well so that I have a choice in the future. There is no question that only one cabinet will be plenty in all of the playing situations that I encounter. Of course, that's good since neither the Woods nor the AI Focus will handle loads of less than 4 ohms. I now understand why this thread has grown to such an incredible length. These cabinets are a working bass player's dream.

great post! I'm looking forward to a revisited review once you gig the cab a few times (especially with the URB)... I'm still floored by my 1210!
 
I'll come back in about 10 days with another report about the cabinet's performance with upright. This coming week, I've got a rehearsal (inside) and a performance (outdoors) with a jazz quintet, a rehearsal with a smoking 13-piece mini big band that plays takedown's from the 1930's, and an outdoor performance with an 18-piece modern band. All of these will be on upright and I'll use the Woods Ultra and the AI Focus when it arrives as well.

Erik
 
tombowlus said:
How do the highs and mids compare between the El Whappo and the Schroeder?
Tom,

I've got both cabinets hooked up. The 1210 into one half of the 2.1, and the EL Whappo into the other half. And I've been comparing the two speakers all weekend long. Being able to run one, or the other, or both at my whim.... is VERY NICE.

Anyway...The highs on the Accugroove are completely precise as you already know. The soft dome tweeters make the highs completely articulate without being overly harsh.

The 1210 sounds almost identical with the knob at 2/3. with it off, the highs are very rounded sounding. Almost squashed, but warm. With it all the way up, it's a little overbearing to my taste. Not brittle by any stretch of the imagination.. but not to my liking. I actually seem to prefer it at about 1/3.

I hope that's a better answer to your question than the drivel I posted prior.
 
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