Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

[John D Harris]

Did some testing in my test-room last night for a couple hours. In that setting I actually prefer the 1210 on it's side with the 10" driver pointed up, 12" driver on the bottom. Some lose of the low coupling thing is apparent but it cleared up some of the prominent bark/grunt to my liking. I just added some bass knob and a little more volume and it was very pleasing. Still had the Schroeder cutting tone too. After several times of tipping up and back shows that there is some versatility with this cab just by changing the position. It was also much easier to hear since the 10" was higher and angled at my ears which was one of my first attractions to this design. Now I will see how that method works on the gig next weekend.

I would think two 1210's set like that (angled baffle angled up), side by side would sound really good.

Some of you that have two 1210's or a 1212 & 1210 ought to check that out and let TBers know about how it sounds.

 

[McHack]

I've really enjoyed following this thread. It's been really interesting seeing people converted right before our very eyes. I can totally see the benefits of these cabs. But, I'm only working on my first rig,,, I find myself really WANTing two 1210's, but given thier cost, I just just shake my head...

I'm not saying they're not worth it, but $600+ per cab is a substantial cost. It just has me feeling rather sequeamish.

 

[uglybassplayer]

I'm not saying they're not worth it, but $600+ per cab is a substantial cost. It just has me feeling rather sequeamish.

Well, I guess it is compared to the likes of Behringer, Avatar and Hartke as well as the lower end of some other companies like Peavey, Ashdown (Mag series), SWR (Working Man series). But when you consider some of the heavy hitters these cabinets are being compared to like Acme, Accugroove, Eden, Bag End, EA and Berg, they're actually quite a bargain. Also, when you consider that many reviewers have confirmed that a single 1210 or 1212 can literally replace a multicab setup, the price gap shrinks substantially.

EDIT: BTW, please don't think that I'm bashing any of the other companies I've listed. Far from it... I have the utmost respect for the products put out by most (if not all) of the above mentioned companies, and I'm thankful that such cabinets are available at both ends of the price spectrum.

- Frank.

 

[McHack]

Also, when you consider that many reviewers have confirmed that a single 1210 or 1212 can literally replace a multicab setup, the price gap shrinks substantially.

True True... I'd rather go for quality, than quantity anyway.

 

[uglybassplayer]

True True... I'd rather go for quality, than quantity anyway.

Also I see by your profile that you and I are in the same ballpark agewise. I don't know about you, but I'm too fat, old and tired of lugging tons of crap around .

- Frank.

 

[Scooperman]

Also I see by your profile that you and I are in the same ballpark agewise. I don't know about you, but I'm too fat, old and tired of lugging tons of crap around .

- Frank.

I also see by McHack's profile that he has a Skyline 5 string bass.

Doesn't that cost more than $600.00 (new, anyway)?

I believe that the amp and cabinet are part of you instrument and your bass will never sound better than the cab you play it through, so why not spring for a cab that's a similar price as your bass?

Still the bass that McHack plays isn't that expensive. There are some people who play $1500.00 basses through Peavey combos. I guess maybe they're just using the amp as a monitor? I'm not that generous - content with my sound not being all it can as long as the audience gets a good tone. I'm selfish: I want to sound as good to myself as I can!

 

[slinkp]

Personally if someone pointed a gun at my head and said "You can spend $1500 on your rig and $150 on your bass, OR $150 on your rig and $1500 on your bass, CHOOSE OR DIE!"...

I'd splurge on the rig and get the cheap bass. No question about it.

I own a cheapo Danelectro "just for fun" bass that sounds awesome through a nice amp. *Nothing* sounds awesome through a crap amp.

-PW

 

[Scooperman]

Personally if someone pointed a gun at my head and said "You can spend $1500 on your rig and $150 on your bass, OR $150 on your rig and $1500 on your bass, CHOOSE OR DIE!"...

I'd splurge on the rig and get the cheap bass. No question about it.

I own a cheapo Danelectro "just for fun" bass that sounds awesome through a nice amp. *Nothing* sounds awesome through a crap amp.

-PW

Here here!

Well Paul, you saw the bass I used for the shoot out: $400.00 on the 'bay.

Actually both our basses that we used for the taste test were pretty inexpensive and you heard the result: pretty darn good through the great rigs, merely passable through the so so rig.

 

[slinkp]

well, that Greco T-bird I brought is a special thing (as are T-birds in general, except maybe the current low-budget Epiphone model).
It sounds pretty good through just about anything, including amps that my Alembic-equipped Ibanez just sounds blah through no matter what I do with the EQ.

 

[McHack]

Personally if someone pointed a gun at my head and said "You can spend $1500 on your rig and $150 on your bass, OR $150 on your rig and $1500 on your bass, CHOOSE OR DIE!"...

I'd splurge on the rig and get the cheap bass. No question about it.

See, I took the exact OPPOSITE approach, as the bass is what you actually touch. It's where you translate the feel, into music. Plus, I was just getting back into music, after a long hiatus, & knew I wouldn't be gigging for a while....

So, I made the right choice for my situation, & have NO regrets. At this point, I'm just try to prepare myself for a future that includes gigging... But, at this point, I've still got a full time day job as a software engineer, & a family which consists of 4 teenagers & a smokin' hot wife that I wouldn't dare ignore. (even tho, I think I'm guilty of it occasionally, when I practice)

 

[tombowlus]

well, that Greco T-bird I brought is a special thing (as are T-birds in general, except maybe the current low-budget Epiphone model).
It sounds pretty good through just about anything, including amps that my Alembic-equipped Ibanez just sounds blah through no matter what I do with the EQ.

Finally, someone else who appreciates the mighty Thunderbird!!!

I have also noticed that it is hard to get a Thunderbird to sound bad (and this is presuming that you like the general tone/sound of the T-Bird to begin with, of course!), especially when recording. Before I bought my T-Bird, whether I used my own (albeit cheapo) bass, or the studio's bass (usually a Fender Jazz), the different techniques for recording (direct into board, through outboard preamp, mic'd signal through rig, combination thereof, etc.) would yield very different tones. But with the Thunderbird, it seems like no matter what I do, it sounds like my Thunderbird - again, this is a good thing if you like the tone to begin with, and probably a bad thing if you don't.

I have yet to find a bass that has the low-mid power (with clarity) of the Thunderbird. In fact, if anyone knows of a 5-string that can approximate the tone of a Thunderbird, please let me know!

 

[Basso Gruvitas]

How about a $1,500 bass and $150 direct box?

 

[Scooperman]

How about a $1,500 bass and $150 direct box?

Sure, although you can't hear a DI by itself, it's only the input of a larger system - P.A. or studio. The input part of my amp probably costs less than $150.00 and the rest of my amp and cabs costs far less than a "real" recording studio or good sounding P.A.

Although if all you do is bring a DI instead of an amp, then you're offloading a good deal of your amplification/sound onto the studio/club/PA company.... which means they have to do the cartage, not you.... hmmmm... that's a good way to get somebody to maintain and roadie the heaviest and possibly most expensive part of your rig for free!

Sold!

 

[slinkp]

How about a $1,500 bass and $150 direct box?

With the monitors I usually get, no freakin' way.
Sometimes we don't get any monitors at all...

Seriously, I can understand wanting to splurge on the actual instrument you play. Maybe I'm a bit weird in that I can be happy playing just about any crazy hunk of cheap-ass wood as long as the neck is semi-sane and the pickups are good. I own three basses for which I paid a *total* of maybe $1200 including some parts replacements. I also like not being afraid to thrash the thing around

Of course that is <a href="http://www.slinkp.com/bass/custom_bass">all going to change soon...</a>

 

[James Hart]

I'll post more after rehearsal on thursday night

Well, I took the 1212 for a test drive last night. We auditioned a new drummer ( again.... the kid who came out wasn't quite the player as the Greg (who upped and disappeared over the last month)... but a better "person" for the band).

I prefer it to the 1210. it's got a nice big, round, dark & tough lowend. I had the tweeter 3/4 of the way full and rolled off a touch of my bass boost @ the pre amp. It feels much larger then the 1210 with the band to my ears.

I gather the 1212 has "more lows" than a 1210. But does that mean more low-mids or more way-deep-lows? Or both?

Both... oh yeah! I believe "BOOTY" is the proper term

Also, does the 1212 feel nice and tight, like I know the 1210 does?

the 1210 has a more modern bass tone. If I was a slapper with rounds or a less vintage typed guy, the 1210 would be the better cab. I think a pair of 1212 would be less usable then my choice of a 1210 and a 1212.... a pair of 1212 may be TOO bassy. I'm more then happy / satisfied with my choice.

I found with the 1210 that I liked to add a touch of bass boost and a touch of mid-cut, if that helps explain what I'm after. It seemed a little smoother to me that way. So I'm kinda hoping that the 1212 would get me something like that when set flat.

I think it may. The mid punch is still there with the 1212 but so is a whole lota lows

I was just curious about just how different the 1212 sounded. I remember Brian Barret stating at some point that the 1210 was a more "all around" cabinet where the 1212 acted more like a subwoofer. I'm also rather fond of the SVT sound, so I'm feeling reassured that I made the right decision. I'm fairly sure though that if I decided on a second cabinet to pair with my 1210 that I'd go for a 1212.

Like I said, the 1210 is a more "standard" cabinets... killer tone. The 1212 is more of a sub then the 1210, but it's deeper and darker with the same great top end.

 

[uglycicles]

My 1210 is due to arrive on the 10th.

*rubs hands together lasciviously *

muhuhuwahahhahaa

 

[Biker4Him]

Hmmm....

Now I'm wondering.... can anyone compare 21012 with a 1212??

 

[John D Harris]

Hmmm....

Now I'm wondering.... can anyone compare 21012 with a 1212??

OUCH!

 

[WesW]

Ok, I'm *really* thinking about jumping on this. I too, like I've seen mentioned here - have the Walkabout with Bag End S-12 and S-15 (which is a killer rig - loud and tiny) - but y'all are GAS'ing me!!!

So I figured I'd give Jorg a PM - wow - nice guy - got right back to me - friendly - that's worth a lot too.

man...my wife's gonna hate you guys....

:^)

 

[uglybassplayer]

the 1210 has a more modern bass tone. If I was a slapper with rounds or a less vintage typed guy, the 1210 would be the better cab.

Thanks for the comparison James.

I'll take that to mean that I made the right choice. While I'm not quite slap-happy, I do like a bright, yet deep punchy sound that kind of punches you right in the gut. I'm hoping my 1210 will be able to deliver that!

- Frank.