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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)
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Biker4Him said:
I didn't have them at the same time but the 21012 is of course louder and punchier than the 1212. I found this cab too much for me in general. Of all the Schroeders it sounded the smoothest to me. The front loaded 10's were in your face punchie and the angled 12" added a huge bottom and did the smoothing out thing I heard. Very Loud Cab.... would be great for outside gigs or big room with no PA support. 1212 was as most of the others said and would be a good companion for 1210 or 1010 which I'm going to try also sometime. After trying the 1210 and 1212 I though the 21012 would be right for me but was just too loud even when I turned down. I'm sure somebody else would figure out how to make it work for them but I didn't want to tweak and reconfigure all the time in the small/medium rooms I ususlly play plus I wanted to stick with smaller cabs when all is said and done.
I just received my Schroeder 21012 today and will post my thoughts in more detail after this week. Obviously I couldn't push it much in my apartment but what I did hear sounded as advertised throughout this thread. The tone seemed very clear and even throughout the full range of my Modulus Q6. I am using an Iamp 600 for a head and this amp/cab combination really seems to bring out the natural sound of the Modulus like nothing I've played through before.
After my gigs this week I will have a better feel for it and will have put it through some paces in live use where it really counts. I'll also get to gig with it in two very different settings..one in an all original world beat fusion band with horns, vibes, percussion etc... and the other in a "modern" rock/alternative band with a pretty loud drummer(aren't they all?). I'm looking forward to checking it out and will post my thoughts after this weeks gigs.
After my gigs this week I will have a better feel for it and will have put it through some paces in live use where it really counts. I'll also get to gig with it in two very different settings..one in an all original world beat fusion band with horns, vibes, percussion etc... and the other in a "modern" rock/alternative band with a pretty loud drummer(aren't they all?). I'm looking forward to checking it out and will post my thoughts after this weeks gigs.
Congratulations!rob_d said:
Welcome to the Schroeder Club.
Sounds like a good set up you have.
Be looking forward to your impressions.
Why not design and build your own bass speaker system?PhatBasstard said:This is why I thought a 1012 made more sense than a 1210. Oh well.
Jorg is very meticulous about the tone of these cabinets.
He did them this way for a reason: TONE.
There's plenty of other cabs out there; if you find something (or can build something) you like better 'go for it'.
I was just stating that someone's observations, who actually had one of these cabs, was reinforcing my earlier assumption, that if you're going to put 10s and 12s together in this type of cab design, the 10 (being the punchier speaker) would be better served in the front firing position and the 12 (producing more lows than the 10) would be better in the angled/dispersion position (opposite of the current 1210 cab). The 21012 seems to follow this principle/theory, yet the 1210 does not.lo-freq said:
Jorg has said he tried "all combinations". OK, but I would have been curious to compare the two cabs...assuming he ever did assemble a "1012" cab to test against a 1210.
PS. Speaking of "Tone"...why is yours so defensive?
Sorry; I meant my tone to be 'offensive', not defensive.PhatBasstard said:
Maybe you should try a 1010.
One of the unique pluses of Jorg's design is that for different acoustic environments the orientation of the cab can be changed. The usual with the angled baffle to one side or the other gives a bit more directionality to the projection of the sound.
If you're in a boomy room and having a hard time hearing your bass, turn the angled baffle up.
If you're wanting more low end (don't know if that could happen -- but might be some's cup o' tea), turn the angled baffle down.
I don't think PhatBasstard is saying that. I think (and you can correct me if I'm wrong, PhatB) he's questioning/challenging Jorg's choice of designing the cabinet as a 1210 instead of a 1012. I believe It's a valid question, and while I'm willing to trust Jorg's R&D and explanation as to why he chose that particular arrangement, I can understand PhatB's skepticism (particulary since he owns one of the Tech cabs). I wouldn't be surprised there are some who would like the tone from a side firing 12" as opposed to the 10". I doubt PhatB would want to plunk down the cash just to see what it would sound like, but I'm sure Jorg would be willing to make such a custom cab if a customer wanted it.lo-freq said:Sorry; I meant my tone to be 'offensive', not defensive.
...If you're wanting more low end (don't know if that could happen -- but might be some's cup o' tea), turn the angled baffle down.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion.fgenus said:
Both you and PBasstard.
If you check all PBasstard's posts you may notice that he does alot of nit-picking (and that is his right to do so).
It is also my right to point that out and wonder what his motivation is.
I'm not trying to be an A-hole, maybe it's just one of those days.
Hallelujah, my 1210 is sitting in the mailroom waiting for me to take her home. One day early!
Rehearsal tomorrow night, thoughts later....
Rehearsal tomorrow night, thoughts later....
Exactly. I think the idea of combining the characteristics of 10s and 12s together in one cab is a great idea, I was just questioning why the same theory of projection/dispersion isn't implemented the same in both cabs (1210 and 21012). The 21012 makes sense to me given the known characteristics of the drivers, the 1210 not so much.fgenus said:
It's hard to accept "it sounded better" at face value. It flys in the face of the known speaker (sizes) performance. Everybody's ear is different anyway.
What you call "nitpicking" I call being thorough. Some people have trouble with (or even presenting) hard facts.lo-freq said:
Unlike some, I will not be led to slaughter easily.
I am not trying to call out Jorg on this. I'm actually thinking of buying one of these as it's probably an improvement on my TECH cab, which I love. I am just not sure if a 1212, 1210, or 1010 is the cab I want.
If there was a 1012 my decision would be easy.
PhatBasstard said:If there was a 1012 my decision would be easy.
Perhaps, since you'd be buying it "sound unheard", but then again, there's always the possibility that Jorg wasn't kidding himself when he thought that the 1210 sounded better. Perhaps, if you A/B'ed them, you would agree. Since there doesn't seem to be any other reason why he wouldn't make a 1012, perhaps it's just possible that the 1210 sounds better.
Scooperman said:
I'm totally guessing, but suspect that swapping the positions of the 10" and 12" affected the tonal balance in a way Jorg didn't like.
I really like the tone of all his cabs I've heard (haven't heard the 1010 or the 101010, but have the rest).
lo-freq said:
I have to assume that as well, since I can't imagine any other reason for not offering a 1012. Besides, that's the reason that he gives.
Hey, why not take Jorg at his word? Has he given us any reason not to?
There's always the possibility that somebody might prefer a 1012 to a 1210, but that somebody isn't Jorg. There's a good chance that it won't be most others as well.
Has anybody asked him if he'll make one as a custom job for a customer? I remember reading in one of the posts (way back in the single digit pages) that Jorg would build custom cabinets with rack space for customers who wanted them, so perhaps he'd build a 1012 for PhatB. Jorg (or Brian), care to weigh in on this one?
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fgenus said:
Even though I'd really like to accommodate as much as possible, I honestly only offer a model in which I 100% believe in. After numerous live tests with different configurations I came to the conclusion that a 1210 just sounds better than a 1012. The speaker configuration of the 21012 differs compared to the 1210 out of the simple reason that the 12" angled woofer has a lot more room to move in that larger cabinet and is therefore able to produce a serious but tight and focused low end.
Thanks everyone,
Jorg
OK, but not to be....nitpickyJSCHRO7376 said:
, then the same reasoning and resolve should suggest that you not even offer a 1212 since the angled 12 only moves sufficiently in the larger cab and you already offer the 1210 (presumably solving this perceived problem with the smaller 10 driver).I find this an unlikely problem since my Tech cab, with a 12 in the angled position, in a smaller cab than your 1212 or 1210 (the Tech cab in a "1212" configuration is slightly smaller than the comparable Schroeders) does not seem to suffer from this syndrome at all.
Jorg, let me ask this: are there any other component differences between a 1210, 1010, or a 1212 other than the driver size (i.e. Same crossover, cab size, etc.)?
If not, you could concieveably make a 1012, and if the sound is not acceptable (as compared to your other 2 speaker cabs) it could very easily be converted to a 1212 with just a hole/mount widening (10 to 12) and driver swap, yes?
This is hypethetical at this point.
For those who are interested... Nice pictures, including a view of the inside of the cabinet from the back.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10171&item=3759416648&rd=1
P.S. I received an email from Jorg this morning... My 1210 is ready and I should have it by sometime next week
Peace,
Frank.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10171&item=3759416648&rd=1
P.S. I received an email from Jorg this morning... My 1210 is ready and I should have it by sometime next week
Peace,
Frank.
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fgenus said:P.S. I received an email from Jorg this morning... My 1210 is ready and I should have it by sometime next week
Peace,
Frank.
Me too
Just mine will take some more time to arrive
4-6 weeks shipping plus customs, 1-2 weeks...
Good thing that I have no gigs coming up for some time. I'm not in a hurry, just a bit curious... ok real curious
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