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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

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#921
lo-freq said:
The 21012 has a HUGE sound and a tone that is thick on the low end and mid-bass, but still has punch and quickness similar to the 1210.
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It's all good! You are preaching to the choir man :bassist:

I prefer the 1212 *tone* to the 1210.... like I said, since the early 80s I've prefered 12" drivers. I'll add to it, I've used a plethora of 12", 15" and 18" drivers. Not till the *side fired* 10" in the 1210 have I ever tried/used/heard a 10" driver I wanted to buy.... just not *my* voice.

Now the 1212 + 1210 together is the voice of Gods to my ears.
 
#922
OK, here we go again. . . I received my 1210 yesterday. WOW! I'd like to be able to give some negative feedback (really, I would, just because I know what it's like to read all the praise of the Schroeder cabs here for months thinking, "they can't be THAT great"). . . but thus far, I have nothing bad to say. I have yet to gig so this is preliminary, but I used my Crest LT1000 and Demeter 201s last night, bridged, and it was insane. I started off at relatively low volume and it sounded really fantastic, not weak, very clear and defined with warmth. And the more I gave to it, the better it sounded. I live in a townhouse so I didn't have it volume up for that long but for a little while I really cranked it... MAN, nothing but sweetness, huge bottom, definition, and punch. Even slapping up high, with the 201's "Bright" switch engaged, it was very bright, but not harsh and not brittle. Amazing. . . I'm very impressed and excited to gig it.

Now a quick question: I plan on doing a more extensive search on this subject and if I can't find anything I'm going to post a new thread: can anyone recommend a head to replace my pre/power amp configuration? I am a huge, HUGE fan of the IP-777, and I love the Demeter as well. I've got the Crest and a SW 2.1 (being repaired). I'm just thinking I might go back to the head for simplicity, and I've thought about the WT-800, but Eden stuff has a definite color to it and I'd like (if this is realistic) to find one that is more like the Stewart/Kern or Demeter rig. They both have different attributes and nothing is going to perfectly reproduce the tone of your bass with NO coloration at all, but. . . I think you know what I'm talking about even though I'm not articulating it very well. All right, thanks all!

:eek:
 
#924
gruuv said:
Now a quick question: I plan on doing a more extensive search on this subject and if I can't find anything I'm going to post a new thread: can anyone recommend a head to replace my pre/power amp configuration?

... I'd like (if this is realistic) to find one that is more like the Stewart/Kern or Demeter rig. They both have different attributes and nothing is going to perfectly reproduce the tone of your bass with NO coloration at all, but. . . I think you know what I'm talking about even though I'm not articulating it very well. All right, thanks all!
:eek:
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I'm sure people are pretty tired of me touting this combination, but, while not competely colorless, the EA iamp800 is fairly uncolored, has a very flexible EQ, weighs about 18 lbs., and does 800 watts into 4 ohms, and 1200 watts into 2 ohms. I've gigged it with a 1210 and the combination is very nice. To the extent that the iamp has a color, it errs slightly on the side of low end "warmth".

I also have used a Stewart World 1.2/ Demeter VTB201 (the 1.5 rack space version) with the 1210, and while I prefer the Demeter/Stewart's sound slightly when running the amps abolutely flat (it has slightly more clarity and zing), when EQ is required the iamp leaps out way ahead of all my other amps (including the Stewart/Demeter), and is way more convenient. Bottom line: For the last 6 months or so I've used the iamp800/1210 combination on almost all my gigs, even with other options readily available to take instead.
 
#925
JSCHRO7376 said:
AI Focus, the solution to your problem; 600 Watts RMS @ 4 ohm, 4 lbs. and it might come very close to what you're looking for. After all, nothing is perfect. :D
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Ah, Jorg has beaten me to the punch!

Another really good option, and even lighter and supposedly slightly less colored than the iamp.

There is a thread where we did a "taste test" using, among other things, an AI Clarus (Kinda like the Focus but lower powered? Not really sure, not having heard the AI Focus yet), iamp800, an Eden WT-300 and a 1210 as well as other cabs:
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149011

We decided that the Clarus had enough power to sound good with the 1210 (but not with the Acme Low B2, which is a power hog! :D ). So I'm guessing that the higher powered Focus would probably sound like dynamite with a 1210 as well as most other cabs.
 
#926
gruuv said:
OK, here we go again. . . I received my 1210 yesterday. WOW! I'd like to be able to give some negative feedback (really, I would, just because I know what it's like to read all the praise of the Schroeder cabs here for months thinking, "they can't be THAT great"). . . but thus far, I have nothing bad to say. I have yet to gig so this is preliminary, but I used my Crest LT1000 and Demeter 201s last night, bridged, and it was insane. I started off at relatively low volume and it sounded really fantastic, not weak, very clear and defined with warmth. And the more I gave to it, the better it sounded. I live in a townhouse so I didn't have it volume up for that long but for a little while I really cranked it... MAN, nothing but sweetness, huge bottom, definition, and punch. Even slapping up high, with the 201's "Bright" switch engaged, it was very bright, but not harsh and not brittle. Amazing. . . I'm very impressed and excited to gig it.

Now a quick question: I plan on doing a more extensive search on this subject and if I can't find anything I'm going to post a new thread: can anyone recommend a head to replace my pre/power amp configuration? I am a huge, HUGE fan of the IP-777, and I love the Demeter as well. I've got the Crest and a SW 2.1 (being repaired). I'm just thinking I might go back to the head for simplicity, and I've thought about the WT-800, but Eden stuff has a definite color to it and I'd like (if this is realistic) to find one that is more like the Stewart/Kern or Demeter rig. They both have different attributes and nothing is going to perfectly reproduce the tone of your bass with NO coloration at all, but. . . I think you know what I'm talking about even though I'm not articulating it very well. All right, thanks all!

:eek:
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Kern & Demeter, there's two different tonal palettes.

Maybe an iAmp-800 (though I haven't heard one in action yet) or a Thunderfunk (Dave apparently is offering a new option of a tone switch that can give a very clean, hi-fi type sound or the already versatile std. TF tones: from old school funk to fairly clean, but still meaty).

The Focus is going to be very clean only, yet with some warmth. They do sound very good, but I don't think you could get close to the deep warmth of the Kern tone with it.
I would think you'd have to add a pedal (Sansamp BDDI) or something to help get close to the Kern vibe.
 
#927
Most of the time I use a Demeter 201/QSCPLX into the 1210, but it also sounds great with my Thunderfunk. The new Thunderfunk with the clean channel migh be even better :cool:
 
#928
Both the Iamp 800 and the Focus are good choices. Having used both live I honestly prefer the latter. It produces a natural warmth which I really like. I do use a Sansamp bass driver but to push a little the higher mids to achieve a WW sound if necessary. Having played through the Focus now at many live performances I am very pleased with the tonal versatility of this amp. IMO the answer to up to medium size gigs; and nothing beats a convenient and easy 5 minute setup and you're ready to gig. :)
 
#929
JSCHRO7376 said:
Both the Iamp 800 and the Focus are good choices. Having used both live I honestly prefer the latter. It produces a natural warmth which I really like. I do use a Sansamp bass driver but to push a little the higher mids to achieve a WW sound if necessary. Having played through the Focus now at many live performances I am very pleased the the tonal versatility of this amp. IMO the answer to up to medium size gigs; and nothing beats a convenient and easy 5 minute setup and you're ready to gig. :)
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Not to mention that the Focus can fit inside the pocket of most bass bags!
 
#930
You guys rock. . . Jorg, you da' man! From all the posts I've been combing through I believe the Focus, iAmp-800, and possibly the Epifani UL-902 are all in the running. I definitely took note when Scooperman remarked about the 800's "warmth" in the lows. That is the only thing I hesitate on with the Focus (the ONLY thing, at 4 lbs!), that it may be a bit too clear and uncolored. Some of the gigging/studio work I do is support work for artists who are about very "warm" bass, so it is sort of a must. I also realize, as lofreq (?, too many posts!) pointed out, that there is a significant discrepency in tone between the Demeter and the Kern, that's why I want to just get as close a compromise as possible. In some cases I love the Demeter's clarity and with that "Bright" engaged, a good smacking around of a maple board can be beautiful. But then the Kern is just SWEET. . .

Any experiences with the Epi heads?

Thanks guys for all the help... no doubt by the time I post this there'll be more responses!
 
#931
JSCHRO7376 said:
AI Focus, the solution to your problem; 600 Watts RMS @ 4 ohm, 4 lbs. and it might come very close to what you're looking for. After all, nothing is perfect. :D
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Ditto

BUT

If you want the Tube sound that the IP777 has, then go with the True-Voice preamp which is compact and all tube point to point wiring with the New Acoustic Image power amp. The AI power amp is the focus power section 600 watts at 4 ohm.

The True-Voice uses a 6SN7 Tube with Volume and tonal balance. Bright switch and mute. Then dual 1/4 outs on the bas and a DI out. Pull the tube out and it will fit in the pocket on your gig bag.
 
#932
Gruuv;

If you want to try the Focus you should test one out at Brian Barret's shop. I believe that a few hours drive would be worth it before purchasing something that might not fit your needs.

Smash;

Tried the Thunderfunk, very well built, very nice sounding, but I just prefer the Focus, it's IMO one of the best or may be the best "plug and play" amp.
 
#934
its not on the market yet, but by the end of Dec. first of Jan it will be. I know Rick is going to have a display in our booth and have a couple of them there as well as the focus and a few combo's.
It will be smaller then the Focus, its the basic power amp section with the input and level control..... Atleast thats all I asked for. Not sure if Rick is adding anything else to it.
 
#935
Brian Barrett said:
its not on the market yet, but by the end of Dec. first of Jan it will be. I know Rick is going to have a display in our booth and have a couple of them there as well as the focus and a few combo's.
It will be smaller then the Focus, its the basic power amp section with the input and level control..... Atleast thats all I asked for. Not sure if Rick is adding anything else to it.
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Thanks! I better hide my wallet now...
 
#936
SMASH said:
The iAmp 800 definitely has some richness in the lows. Keep in mind the caveat though that they're a bit hissy - I can't imagine mic'ing an iAmp 800 though a cab in a studio - especially with the tweeter on. Have also read of people saying the DI/outs can be noisy but they seemed fine to me.
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On my iAmp 800, there is a sweet spot that is virtually silent for hum and hiss, at roughly 4 and 4 on the pre and masters. Happily for me, those are exactly the settings I use for 90% of my jazz gigs. I usually prefer direct recording, but the iAmp wouldn't create any problems for me at all, I'd guess. FWIW, I use an EA CXL 122 with the tweeter at 12 o'clock, which is flat on that cab, I believe. Also, this all applies to my EUB, I haven't used the iAmp for electric BG at all.

If I turn the master all the way down, the amp is quite noisy, interestingly enough.
 
#938
lo-freq said:
Sorry about that! :crying:

Oops, I did it again! :eek:
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The more the merrier. . . while I've got everyone graciously answering my questions, I'll toss out the Epifani question again -- anyone know anything about the UL-902? Also, anyone played through the EBS heads?

Thanks again. . . . . . . :D
 
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