Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

[joetheragman]

Well, my Schroeder 1210 arrived and I took it out of the box and directly to a gig night before last.

My band are very old school. My guitar player thinks an 8x10 is the best cabinet and blah blah blah. A few weeks ago I said I just had had it lugging around a 4 x 10 (86 lbs.) and I was only bringing a 200 watt 2 x 10 with a 5" driver. I said "I have ordered a technological marvel that weighs 47 lbs and will replace six tens with no problem." They were all like, "yeah sure you sucker. Hope you can get your money back". I brought it to the gig and the guitar player/band leader says, "oh so you brought untested equipment to the gig". Well I turned on the Sansamp RBI/Carvin DSM 1500, using one channel (500 watts @4 ohms), played an exercise from low C on the b string up a couple octaves and glasses and bottles were sliding around on the bar in the club. The ceiling beams were vibrating like a snare drum. The band was silent. The drummer finally said, "You have found the holy grail. I wish I could get my drums in a little box that weighs 47 lbs." The skinny girl singer in the band can pick the cab up by herself.

Then as if to lend a special glow to the evening, the know-it-all guitar player's tube amp blew up, mid gig. He had to use his solid state back up. It was wonderful.

If you ever have the chance to try one of these, you will be astonished. I hereby formally nominate Jorg Schroeder for the Nobel prize for musical technology. All my big heavy stuff is for sale at the LMS. Hernias are for suckers.

 

[fenderjazz68]

Well, my Schroeder 1210 arrived and I took it out of the box and directly to a gig night before last.

My band are very old school. My guitar player thinks an 8x10 is the best cabinet and blah blah blah. A few weeks ago I said I just had had it lugging around a 4 x 10 (86 lbs.) and I was only bringing a 200 watt 2 x 10 with a 5" driver. I said "I have ordered a technological marvel that weighs 47 lbs and will replace six tens with no problem." They were all like, "yeah sure you sucker. Hope you can get your money back". I brought it to the gig and the guitar player/band leader says, "oh so you brought untested equipment to the gig". Well I turned on the Sansamp RBI/Carvin DSM 1500, using one channel (500 watts @4 ohms), played an exercise from low C on the b string up a couple octaves and glasses and bottles were sliding around on the bar in the club. The ceiling beams were vibrating like a snare drum. The band was silent. The drummer finally said, "You have found the holy grail. I wish I could get my drums in a little box that weighs 47 lbs." The skinny girl singer in the band can pick the cab up by herself.

Then as if to lend a special glow to the evening, the know-it-all guitar player's tube amp blew up, mid gig. He had to use his solid state back up. It was wonderful.

If you ever have the chance to try one of these, you will be astonished. I hereby formally nominate Jorg Schroeder for the Nobel prize for musical technology. All my big heavy stuff is for sale at the LMS. Hernias are for suckers.

Good to hear! I ordered one about a week ago and I am looking forward to the same experience.

 

[troll]

If that little 1210 can do that, I'm in trouble

Troll

 

[Halftooth]

I'm very happy with my 1210. It produces plenty of volume with my Eden WT-550. The only problems is now I would like another 1210 which means that I will likely have to upgrade my power source as well.

 

[rockstarbassist]

Well, my Schroeder 1210 arrived and I took it out of the box and directly to a gig night before last.

My band are very old school. My guitar player thinks an 8x10 is the best cabinet and blah blah blah. A few weeks ago I said I just had had it lugging around a 4 x 10 (86 lbs.) and I was only bringing a 200 watt 2 x 10 with a 5" driver. I said "I have ordered a technological marvel that weighs 47 lbs and will replace six tens with no problem." They were all like, "yeah sure you sucker. Hope you can get your money back". I brought it to the gig and the guitar player/band leader says, "oh so you brought untested equipment to the gig". Well I turned on the Sansamp RBI/Carvin DSM 1500, using one channel (500 watts @4 ohms), played an exercise from low C on the b string up a couple octaves and glasses and bottles were sliding around on the bar in the club. The ceiling beams were vibrating like a snare drum. The band was silent. The drummer finally said, "You have found the holy grail. I wish I could get my drums in a little box that weighs 47 lbs." The skinny girl singer in the band can pick the cab up by herself.

Then as if to lend a special glow to the evening, the know-it-all guitar player's tube amp blew up, mid gig. He had to use his solid state back up. It was wonderful.

If you ever have the chance to try one of these, you will be astonished. I hereby formally nominate Jorg Schroeder for the Nobel prize for musical technology. All my big heavy stuff is for sale at the LMS. Hernias are for suckers.

Ok, yeah I'm sold now. I was thinking about a pair of Aggy 112s, but with a review like that, there just is no question. Plus, two of them would seem like you'd never need anything else. I'd get a 1212 though, but still- yeah, I need one of these, and like now!

 

[anastasio24]

Well, I WAS using an Ashdown RPM-1 pre into a QSC PLX 1602 into an Eden 210XST. Today I was finally able to try my new Schroeder 1212 with the Ashdown and QSC at full volume with the band.

Words do not describe how happy I am with this cabinet. I ordered it right after a gig where I could not hear myself. I am certain that will not happen again

My guitarist asked me to turn down repeatedly today. I had the power amp set exactly where I had it set with the Eden. Finally he said "I am just hearing so much more of the bass and so many more frequencies". I just smiled and agreed. The singer also stated she could finally hear me loud and clear.

My bandmates are happy, I am happy and my back is happier (12 lbs lighter than the Eden). The cabinets are indeed the real deal. Jorg is a genius.

 

[James Hart]

Jorg is a genius.

and a gentleman & scholar besides!!!

Thanks again bud!

 

[soundoholic]

What is considered the most flat frequency of the small boxes? I own an acme and love it but it is a little to big for me and not even close to being as loud as I need it. I'm considering the 1210 as that seems to be the 'standard'.

Also, If I put one of these cabs in a case that stays on it while I play. Will this hurt the sound? The front will be opened so I don't see why.


Thank you,

Chris

 

[Brian Barrett]

.............. The cabinets are indeed the real deal. Jorg is a genius.

That they are as is Jorg......... but the genius part.... you don't know him very well...

 

[John D Harris]

Focus is my favourite amp, flat EQ it goes well with any electric /acoustic basses I have or any cabinets ( Yet to try Schroeder which is on the way).
Sometimes when I need extra smoothness for highs I use with Glockenklang Bass Art Pre.

js,
did you ever get and try out a Schroeder?

side note:
what's your thought of glock amps vs. the ai focus?

 

[AlembicBob]

What is considered the most flat frequency of the small boxes? I own an acme and love it but it is a little to big for me and not even close to being as loud as I need it. I'm considering the 1210 as that seems to be the 'standard'.

Thank you,

Chris

I wonder as well. I'd like to buy a 1210 or 1212, but I don't fully understand strengths and weaknesses between them to know which to select.

For those in the know, which do you think would do better at:

1. Cutting through a two guitar blues/classic rock band?

2. Handling a five string?

3. Generating volume stand-alone for outdoor shows?

4. Producing consistent tone at a range of volumes from low to high?

Thanks!

 

[Scooperman]

What is considered the most flat frequency of the small boxes? I own an acme and love it but it is a little to big for me and not even close to being as loud as I need it. I'm considering the 1210 as that seems to be the 'standard'.is

I own both an Acme Low B2 and a Schroeder 1210. They are fairly similar in size and weight. However, the Schroeder will give you more volume, particularly if your amplifier isn't of unlimited power.

In addition, because its pronounced ability to "cut through" you may not need the Schroeder to be as loud in the first place.

I'm not sure what you mean by "the most flat frequency", though. Usually people use the term "flat" to describe an even response across a wide band of frequencies. Your statement reminds me of the phrase "some men are created more equal than others".

 

[tombowlus]

I wonder as well. I'd like to buy a 1210 or 1212, but I don't fully understand strengths and weaknesses between them to know which to select.

For those in the know, which do you think would do better at:

1. Cutting through a two guitar blues/classic rock band?

2. Handling a five string?

3. Generating volume stand-alone for outdoor shows?

4. Producing consistent tone at a range of volumes from low to high?

Thanks!

I generally really like the sound of 10's and 12's together, so I was thinking that the 1210 would be my favorite, tonally. But to be honest, I slightly preferred the 1212 to the 1210 (and the 21012 to the 410). The 1212 had noticeably more low end, and handled the low B with more authority. It also seemed somewhat louder, but this may be entirely related to the more low end thing. Both were fairly well balanced throughout their tonal range, but as mentioned, there was more low end with the 1212 (which may be either a peak in the 1212 response, or a valley in the 1210, but in either case, was not dramatic). As for which would cut through a mix better, I cannot say, as I was only able to try these out in Pete Skjold's shop.

 

[James Hart]

I'm set with the 1212 + 1210... but I'm wanting a Mini12 for the livingroom / acoustic jams

 

[fenderjazz68]

Did anyone try the mini-12?

 

[jobu3]

I finally jumped onboard with a 1210 I bought off of another TB'er (He had two). I'm running it with a borrowed AMP 420 until my 1001RB-II gets here this coming Thursday. Even with just the 400W (everything including gain and master volume at midnight except the limiter which was off/bass EQ flat) this thing is smoking... I'd think that a Thunderfunk and anything Schroeder would be killer!!!

It is hard to believe you get that much sound out of such a small box. It cuts like nobody's business with a smooth but present midrange without sounding obnoxiously aggressive (i.e. Eden XLT cabinets) and has a big tight bottom (i.e. Epifani).

So far, my only minor gripe is that it is carpet-covered and not with something that won't velcro my dog's hair (see Avatar) or absorb smoke... But I have that gripe with most cabinet makers.

There will be much more to come after I get my head and my fretless...

 

[Frank Martin]

That's cool, Big Joe.
I've only used mine with the 440-Watt (@240V, 50Hz) Crown at 9 o' clock and the things in my room started shaking
I don't even dare give it more power at home

BTW, this was post #1100 of the thread...

 

[rockstarbassist]

BTW, this was post #1100 of the thread...

And I'll be #1101 whenever I get my 1210 in!!!

 

[John D Harris]

I finally jumped onboard with a 1210 I bought off of another TB'er (He had two). I'm running it with a borrowed AMP 420 until my 1001RB-II gets here this coming Thursday. Even with just the 400W (everything including gain and master volume at midnight except the limiter which was off/bass EQ flat) this thing is smoking... I'd think that a Thunderfunk and anything Schroeder would be killer!!!

It is hard to believe you get that much sound out of such a small box. It cuts like nobody's business with a smooth but present midrange without sounding obnoxiously aggressive (i.e. Eden XLT cabinets) and has a big tight bottom (i.e. Epifani).

So far, my only minor gripe is that it is carpet-covered and not with something that won't velcro my dog's hair (see Avatar) or absorb smoke... But I have that gripe with most cabinet makers.

There will be much more to come after I get my head and my fretless...

Congrats, BJ.

I'd be very interested on how the GK works for you with the 1210.

 

[John D Harris]

I generally really like the sound of 10's and 12's together, so I was thinking that the 1210 would be my favorite, tonally. But to be honest, I slightly preferred the 1212 to the 1210 (and the 21012 to the 410). The 1212 had noticeably more low end, and handled the low B with more authority. It also seemed somewhat louder, but this may be entirely related to the more low end thing. Both were fairly well balanced throughout their tonal range, but as mentioned, there was more low end with the 1212 (which may be either a peak in the 1212 response, or a valley in the 1210, but in either case, was not dramatic). As for which would cut through a mix better, I cannot say, as I was only able to try these out in Pete Skjold's shop.

Interesting.

I'd really like to hear more of Jorg's cabs in acousticly decent live venues, that's where the rubber meets the road.

In a good sized living room of a friend, I really preferred the 1210 (just sounded more balanced to me) over the 1212, but it's probably more likely we just prefer a slightly different cup of sonic tea.

DSFDF.

Thanks Tom, I always appreciate your input.