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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

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slinkp said:
Yeehaw! I love Entwistle. For a single-amp rig that's pretty darn good :-)
I'd like to hear it recorded a little better, I bet it's awesome.
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It's awesome standing within the first 6 feet in front of it. After that it loses that bassy quality and just sounds like a guitar. :scowl:

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Maybe. It is, as has been noted, a fairly dark-sounding cab.
I find mine likes some midrange boost on the EQ.
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Well my head is very bright sounding. I usually run it with the treble at 0, and it's still very bright.

slinkp said:
I don't think you need to worry about hurting the twelves since
the cab is rated to 1000 watts RMS.
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Well, that's the thing. With lots of cabs I use it with, if I turn the bass up too much, it makes the cabs fart out, regardless of how much power it's rated at. Granted, this is usually with the head dimed, but I remember reading that when lemmy plays with his dimed superbasses, he uses 0 bass, 10 mid, & 0 treble. Also, when my head's with the master on 10, alot more low end gets introduced into the signal, but it doesn't go very far out. I'm hoping the schroeders, with the semi-folded horn design will disperse it more. Usually, I can get to 2 on the bass control, but at that point, the cab itself is vibrating & oscillating like hell, there's almost too much low end (still won't project at all) and any higher, and the drivers start farting. Could the farting be a problem with my head?
 
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My 1210 has just arrived, from Usa to Italy in less than 2 days!
With my Fodera with dead strings and the Focus 1 the sound is deep and really powerful, the low end is big and thick, but really defined, it doesn't "boom" around...
I'll put fresh strings in a minute, so I'll check the tweeter soon, but with a big boost on the Pope pre, the highs are sweet, but fresh strings are needed.
The low end is so big that I'm sure I won't need to couple the cab with the floor...
And it has lots of volume, and the cover is strong, and fit like a glove.
My first impression?
The cab is wonderful!!!
My biggest thank to Brian Barrett and Jorge Schroeder for their help, and to this big thread for the confidence it gave me about the cab...
 
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While I admit I haven't read this entire thread, I notice that most of the discussion here seems to revolve around the 1010, the 1210, the 1212, the 21012 and the 310212. The 410 doesn't seem to be mentioned all that much. Are most of you Schroeder users uninterested in it? Why?
 
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I just prefer 12" drivers... have since the early 80s. My 1210 is the first time in my life I had a 10" driver. I've always had 12" (with 15" or 18" at times). Plus I was looking for small & portable (yeah, my 100lbs tube head blows that... but that was more of a "mid-life" thing ;) )

A few guys here are loving the 410... I don't think it's any less popular.
 
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James Hart said:
I just prefer 12" drivers... have since the early 80s. My 1210 is the first time in my life I had a 10" driver. I've always had 12" (with 15" or 18" at times). Plus I was looking for small & portable (yeah, my 100lbs tube head blows that... but that was more of a "mid-life" thing ;) )
QUOTE]I am just on the opposite end. I have had 15's and 18's since the 80's. I have never trusted the smaller speakers for enough low end. The SWR Goliath slowly changed my mind, but my 1212 is impressive. My Mini 12 without the horn adds the thickness of my Big Ben without an extra 50 pounds :hyper:
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I use the 410 and love it. ;) (W/Sansamp RBI -Carvin DCM 2000) I have very limited cab experience, but always had trouble hearing myself in loud Rock/Country bands. Not a problem anymore! And the sound is amazing. These cabs sell themselves. If I want to fill out the bottom end, which really isn't necessary, I just add an Acme B2. WOW :D That is some sweet $#it.

I am wondering how big the sound is on the Mini 12 +. If it would fill my needs for practice or smaller gigs? Any users out there?
 
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r379 said:
While I admit I haven't read this entire thread, I notice that most of the discussion here seems to revolve around the 1010, the 1210, the 1212, the 21012 and the 310212. The 410 doesn't seem to be mentioned all that much. Are most of you Schroeder users uninterested in it? Why?
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the 410 is the first schroeder i tried and i loved it.i was also just looking for a more portable option,eventhough the 410 isnt bad to lug around at all.but with some of the loadins i encounter the 1210 or the 1212 is super easy to lug.plus with as mentioned in other threads,the 1210 seems to be as loud as alot of 410s on the market.the shroeder 410 i tried was capable of getting louder than any 410 ive tried and the 1210 was plenty loud for my needs.
 
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r379 said:
While I admit I haven't read this entire thread, I notice that most of the discussion here seems to revolve around the 1010, the 1210, the 1212, the 21012 and the 310212. The 410 doesn't seem to be mentioned all that much. Are most of you Schroeder users uninterested in it? Why?
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If you did read the whole thread, you'd find more on the 410 than on the 1010.

I wanted one cab that I could use anywhere and get the job done.
That left the choice between the 410 and the 21012.
I was used to hauling around a Berg HT322, so either would be a size & weight reduction (by the way, unlike most here, that really wasn't a part of my criteria, just an added plus).
I don't mind hauling a bigger cab if I can get a major woody from the sound of the cab.
I was also interested in a tight, solid low end with punchy mid-bass and smoothness everywhere else.
That's why I went with the 410 over the 21012.
The 21012 just has a thicker tone in the bottom two and a half or three octaves.
If I want a thicker low end I'd rather add it with EQ and have the natural tone of the cab be a bit quicker/tighter.
That's why for a preamp I chose a Demeter VTBP-201S over an Alembic F1-X.
They are both great preamps, but the Dem is just quicker/tighter in the low end.

If you did a search on '410' for my TB ID, you'd find a lot of input.
 
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Nick man said:
Ha, that tone is tame compared to some of the overdrive sounds I go for.

I think the Schroeders should be able to handle them fine. I havent really cranked my rig but Ive test driven it and its done really well. Tomorrow night is the real test.
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What do you use to get your overdrive? I just like clarity with my overdrive, and hate sand in a blender. YMMV.

Let me know about how the "test" goes.
 
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I went to my buddy's gig last night. He was playing a G&L 1000 through an old and crusty acoustic 118 combo. It was as smallish gig, maybe 50-60 in a medium sized barroom with tables, and the combo covered the room decently enough although he was clipping a little bit when he dug in and it was for the most part, painfully bright. I sat in for a song and you could barely hear the amp at that close on such a small stage. That stage BEGGED for a Schroeder! The funny thing is that I offered to let him use mine with my amp (Sad, the only way I can hear it in a gig at this point is to let someone else play it :rolleyes: ) and he was rather fired up for it. He's played it and he's hooked, but there was no way to get it to him in time before the first set... Next time, (they play this particular bar often) I will be sure he has it and I can see how it really fares against a heavier mix than what I've been using it in (guitar, very loud stereo, drum machine, etc.).
 
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The 0x said:
What do you use to get your overdrive? I just like clarity with my overdrive, and hate sand in a blender. YMMV.

Let me know about how the "test" goes.
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I use an Eden Navigator preamp pushed pretty hard for a slightly overdriven tone, and I run that into a Sansamp RBI run with the drive and blend controls almost fully clockwise. I boost the mids a bit on the Eden and I crank them while cutting the trebble and bass on the RBI since it natrually tries to scoop the mids.

Sometimes I run other stomp boxes in front of the rig for more or different dist sounds, but not last night. Anyone want to donate a Pro Co Rat? ;).

The sound was great last night. Even with my trebble boosted a bit on the Eden and the tweeter turned on max the overdrive sounds were really sweet. I think Ill cut down on the tweeter next time though, I just did it last night as a test. The cab was begging for more. It sounded nasty, but only as nasty as I told it to sound. The low end was fat but not muddy, and the mids were definetly there. I didnt have to think about hearing myself, where ever I stood I was happy with my sound, and the only times I thought of boosting the bass were when we went into a little regae bit, but the cab loved the lows anyways.

Normally I try to setup in a corner of the room and I make sure that my rig in on the floor to take advantage of natrual room acoustics, but last night, I set up my rig at least 3 feet from any walls because thats where it was convinient and I left the casters on because I was tired, and I never once thought of switching it up because it lacked omph.

It looks like the gig scheduled for tomorrow will be cancelled, but next Saturday's gig is on.
 
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Well, I finally go to use my new 1212 and Mini 12 on stage for a full 4 hour show!! These cabinets have a earthy tone and such an organic sound, it was fantastic!!! I held back selling my Goliath until I had a chance to open these up and fell it. We played for about 300 people last night in a very smokey little club. As my guitarists got more and more deaf as the wiskey set in, My 2 cabinets roared through the night without so much as a hint of breaking :hyper: . After the show, loading out was almost even better. At a total of under 75 pounds, the 2 cabinets weigh less than my 1 Big Ben...
I wqas loving this :D
 
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davekoch said:
I played out Saturday night with a rather large band using my Schroeder 410/QSC PLX1602/Alembic F-1X. The band consisted of 2 drummers, 4 guitar players, and 1 keyboard. Everything was mic'd. They told me to turn down! I asked why don't they just turn me down through the board, and the reply was "no, it's the house/stage volume from the bass amp itself". My Modulus M-92 (pre-SS) 5 string is a very hot bass and I do play very aggressively, but man, the lows really rocked - the B string especially. Both the mids and highs were pleasing and present.

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Sounds like you have a good combination of equipment. The Modulus + 410 should even out the natural mid-shy tendancy of the F1-X while providing an awesome amount of BOOTY. I bet it sounds killer. Congratulations.

Some systems have a unique synergy where the total is much greater than what you'd think the sum of the individual parts would be.
 
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Lo-Freq,
Thank you. I do enjoy the 410/F1X/Modulus combination. The mids and highs are a bit mild in comparison to the huge lows, plus I don't like them to be really hot. Probably just need to dial them in better or turn up the tweeter a bit. Now I need to dial in my Modulus VJ... totally different EQ than the M92.
Dave
 
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Today I did some testing comparing my 1210 to a Mark Bass 4x10 (not the traveler) and a custom 15" cab, with a Focus 1 head and a Demeer\Qsc 1202 setup.
Volume-wise, both the MB and the Schroeder sounded much louder than the 15".
The Schroeder seemed slightly louder than the MB too, but the most amazing aspect was the difference in sound: the Sch. was much warm, deep and defined than the MB, in fact at one moment one of my friends changed the wiring from the MB to the Sch without I noticed that, and I immediately commented about how the 4x10 was indeed fuller sounding(it was the 1210...).
1st test passed: the 1210 (slightly bigger and heavier than my old Aguilar 1x12) is performing definitely like a 4x10, in half the space and weight, and with some difference at his advantage.
2nd the tweeter is really beautiful, not harsh at all but very musical, even if I'll prefer a little more openess in the top end.
3rd the cab is loud, with the Focus at max the walls were almost moving, yet the 12" seems to barely move
With the Dem\Qsc, the sound was brighter but with less low end, a more aggressive presentation of the bass, and with little more volume, obviously (again, my 4lbs Focus is amazing when compared to the 30lbs or so of the Dem-Qsc...), but with the power amp at max, and the Dem cranked, the p.a begun to clip on the lowest or hardest attacked notes.
Oh, at that stage the room (a 100 mq room ) was full of acoustic energy, everithing was rattling, but the only thing that was suffering was the Qsc, the Schroeder seemed able to take even more watts without straining...and the tweeter never buzzed or spiked, nothing less than a stellar presentation (it has been the 1st time I liked the Dem pre...)
After a few days, my impression is of a wonderful cab, I've never owned-heard something like that.
Great great work, Jorg!!!
 
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Because most of my gigs tend to be in the 3-4 hour range (often after a full 8-9 hours of my day job), I am always looking for the easiest load in/out possible. This is one of the things that pointed me towards the Schroeder to begin with.

Now, 47 lbs is not terribly heavy for a cab (especially one as frikkin' amazingly loud as the 1210), but 50 lbs is 50 lbs. If I don't have to carry it, I'd rather not--especially at 2 am.

So, I had Jim at the Atlanta Bass Gallery order me one of the Ampeg Portabass Transport Handle Kits. :hyper: I just took 10 minutes installing it, and so far, it works exactly like I had hoped it would.

I thought it made more sense to install it so it would be taller than it was wide while moving the cab, and it seemed to be the intuitive way of installing it.

The only modification of the Schroeder necessary was the removal of the metal surround of one screw (center screw on side nearest control plate) since it made getting the handle on and off more difficult by rubbing.

The handle is spring loaded, and comes off in a flash, but I don't see why you would even need to remove it during a gig, unless it rattles--I haven't plugged it in since I installed the handle.

Casters are the way to go with the larger box, but this is an excellent option for the smaller, lighter boxes.

Here are some pics:

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I've used a folding handtruck in the past, but that's a bit of a pain. Since my Walkabout has a shoulder strap, I can wear my Levy's gigbag like a backpack, throw the Walkabout on a shoulder, pull the Schroeder on the dolly, and still have a hand free to open doors (or, hold an umbrella, if necessary). Whoo hoo! :hyper:
 
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