Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

[iriegnome]

I decided not to resist and laughed right out loud. Nanobots--I love it.

As for the Schroeders--I've been saving my pennies for months and was about to buy a setup at my local store, but now...I might have to get me one of these. I keep reading this monster thread and asking myself--Are they really this good?

After 2 shows with just my Mini 12 and my 1212 arrives today, I think that the answer you are going to come up with is yes!

 

[uglybassplayer]

I have had a 1212 for about a week now and wanted to say a few things. I haven't done anything more than living room play so far, but I did notice something that I think is worthy of note.

When I first plugged this thing in, I was unimpressed. Maybe it had to do with making EQ adjustments, but I don't think so. I found that the cabinet had great bass response and some mild highs from the horn, but wasn't very full range. After a bit, the middle began to open up. It was only after a few hours of play that I could achieve all the tones I was looking for. I made very minor EQ adjustments, if any, on my iAMP 800 head.

My initial impression was (somewhat) similar with my 1210 when I first tried them in my basement, but I didn't notice so much of a "break in", as much as I realized that the Schroeders are meant to be played loud, at stage volumes. Between that, it's diminutive size, the ability to cut through the mix like a knife, and the way you can hear your bass clearly even when standing next to the cabinet while it's sitting on the floor make this the perfect gigging cabinet

- Frank.

 

[nightchef]

the Schroeders are meant to be played loud, at stage volumes.

This raises a question: how well do the Schroeders record? Has anybody tried this yet? What mic(s) and position(s) did you use, and how did you like the results?

I'm shopping for a compact cab or stack, primarily for gigging, but it'll also be the "house rig" for my basement studio, so how well a cab records is on my checklist. I used to just record bass direct, but lately I've become a fan of printing both direct and cab tracks, and I often find at mixdown the cab track works best.

 

[Biker4Him]

This raises a question: how well do the Schroeders record? Has anybody tried this yet? What mic(s) and position(s) did you use, and how did you like the results?

I'm shopping for a compact cab or stack, primarily for gigging, but it'll also be the "house rig" for my basement studio, so how well a cab records is on my checklist. I used to just record bass direct, but lately I've become a fan of printing both direct and cab tracks, and I often find at mixdown the cab track works best.

I won't know until May. We are going to be doing the same thing, running direct, and with the cab mic'd. Just so the producer has all the options.

 

[James Hart]

I've only got an AKG D3800M but I had some ok results recording my cabs... Unfortunately I lost my 80gb drive (and the tracks in the works)

I should be set back up and rerecording soon.

SMASH had some tracks earlier in this thread I think.

 

[Halftooth]

This is something new to throw into the mix, but I just received my second 1210 that I playing through an Eden WT-550, and the addition of the second cab was quite interesting. I was playing the 1210 with the Eden by itself, and it was great. It had a great lowend response and was very loud which was exactly what I was looking for when I decided to purchase it. I tend to play pretty loud and I was pushing that Eden pretty good, and for the most part, the single 1210 was getting the job done. I was considerring getting a bigger power amp to give it more juice, but then a deal came about where I was able to acquire the second 1210, so I figured what the hell. My initial thought was that the Eden was going to struggle to push both 1210s, but I read that the WT-550 can work in 2ohm load, so I figured I give it a try. Well the outcome was amazing. I had substantially more volume which I guess isn't suprising because of the addition of two more speakers and a bit more power, but what was a pleasant suprise was the agreesive midrange response that I didn't notice with just one cab to the Eden. Before the sound was clean, but more lowend heavy, now the sound is aggressive and very cutting while still retaining the nice lowend response and loud volume. I'd be curious why this would happen? Does it have to do more with the Eden rather than the addition of the second cab? Whatever the case is, I'm very glad I made the decision to add another 1210, and I'm extremly happy with this current rig!

 

[John D Harris]

This is something new to throw into the mix, but I just received my second 1210 that I playing through an Eden WT-550, and the addition of the second cab was quite interesting. I was playing the 1210 with the Eden by itself, and it was great. It had a great lowend response and was very loud which was exactly what I was looking for when I decided to purchase it. I tend to play pretty loud and I was pushing that Eden pretty good, and for the most part, the single 1210 was getting the job done. I was considerring getting a bigger power amp to give it more juice, but then a deal came about where I was able to acquire the second 1210, so I figured what the hell. My initial thought was that the Eden was going to struggle to push both 1210s, but I read that the WT-550 can work in 2ohm load, so I figured I give it a try. Well the outcome was amazing. I had substantially more volume which I guess isn't suprising because of the addition of two more speakers and a bit more power, but what was a pleasant suprise was the agreesive midrange response that I didn't notice with just one cab to the Eden. Before the sound was clean, but more lowend heavy, now the sound is aggressive and very cutting while still retaining the nice lowend response and loud volume. I'd be curious why this would happen? Does it have to do more with the Eden rather than the addition of the second cab? Whatever the case is, I'm very glad I made the decision to add another 1210, and I'm extremly happy with this current rig!

It may be the way you set them up.
If you stack them, you should get less lows/more mid than both on the floor (unless you put them both on the floor with the angled baffles angled up).
How are you arranging them?
Have you tried different arrangements?

 

[Halftooth]

It may be the way you set them up.
If you stack them, you should get less lows/more mid than both on the floor (unless you put them both on the floor with the angled baffles angled up).
How are you arranging them?
Have you tried different arrangements?

I never thought once about that, and now that you mention it, it makes perfect sense about the arrangement. I currently have these 1210s stacked, and as you mentioned, I have less lows and more mids because of this. Maybe I will play with the arrangement a bit more this weekend with the two cabs. I like the current arrangemnt, but it doesn't hurt to play around with the possibilities a bit.

 

[Biker4Him]

I never thought once about that, and now that you mention it, it makes perfect sense about the arrangement. I currently have these 1210s stacked, and as you mentioned, I have less lows and more mids because of this. Maybe I will play with the arrangement a bit more this weekend with the two cabs. I like the current arrangemnt, but it doesn't hurt to play around with the possibilities a bit.

It's kinda strange (at least to my way of thinkin) but they do sound differently when stacked/placed differently. I get a lot more lows if I put my 1210 underneath my 21012. But the highs sound different. With the 1210 on top of the 21012, I get more more mids.

 

[Larry Kaye]

With the 1210 on top, the cabinet inherently is not quite as bottomy as your 21012, so putting it on top I think cuts the bottom and therefore leaves you with more mids closer to your ears. If the 1210 is on the bottom, it will give you significantly more bottom than if it's on the top. The 21012 is inherently more bottomy...I believe down to 35 or 36 hz vs 40 for the 1210 and it's more efficient/louder at the same wattage input, 104 vs 102 db's, so maybe you can hear more bottom coming outta the 1210 on the bottom and less mids, and then you have the more bassy cab closer to your ear vs the more midrange showing through when the 1210 is on top.

My guess is out front there's very little difference no matter which bottom is on top. They both have a 23" sqaure surface running parallel to the floor. However I'd venture to say that the rig will sound quite different if both cabs were on the floor. The 1210 has a 12 inch speaker facing forward, the 21012 has a couple of tens. Very complicated, try out different things and let us know where what works and what happens....several of us are very interested in yours and others findings in this regard.

LKaye

 

[iriegnome]

Got my 1212 last night. Played for 4 hours at practice. I am not used to tight sounding speakers like this. I ran 18's for the last 15 years. I did notice after about an hour the cabinet did sound much deeper. I think that there may be something to the breakin time or just time for me to start getting used to the new tone. These cabinets are nothing less than great sounding cabinets. For me the personal quality of them make them even better. You cannot call SWR and talk to Steve, you know?

 

[Biker4Him]

My guess is out front there's very little difference no matter which bottom is on top. They both have a 23" sqaure surface running parallel to the floor. However I'd venture to say that the rig will sound quite different if both cabs were on the floor. The 1210 has a 12 inch speaker facing forward, the 21012 has a couple of tens. Very complicated, try out different things and let us know where what works and what happens....several of us are very interested in yours and others findings in this regard.

LKaye

I agree that the way they are stacked probably has little to no effect on the tone "out there". However; I never really thought about putting both on the floor. When opportunity arises I will do that just for fun to see what happens.

 

[Brian Barrett]

you all might also sit both on the floor side by side, but on the side so the angled speaker is pointing up at you or down to the ground.

 

[John D Harris]

I agree that the way they are stacked probably has little to no effect on the tone "out there". However; I never really thought about putting both on the floor. When opportunity arises I will do that just for fun to see what happens.

I disagree with respect to just the low end of the spectrum.
With these cabs, bass is bass and that part of the spectrum will project out very far.
IOW, if you hear more bass, the audience probably will as well.
This may apply a little less with the midrange and much less with the treble.

 

[rabass6]

My 1210+ cover is on the way for Italy, Jorg sent it some minute ago...I hope to have it in few days, I'm so curious about...
I've never played-heard one, Brian Barrett, Jorg himself (both wonderful people, that's for sure...) and this loooong thread with all your experiences have been the main reason to put my order...

 

[iriegnome]

Those are since gone, but I will soon - in the next couple weeks - have the tracks linked in my sig done via Schroeder 1212 and when that's done I'll post 'em.

I will be in a studio this weekend with my 1212 and Mini 12. Should have music posted in a couple of weeks on [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

 

[Surgeon]

Well, after months of exhaustive study (by that I mean months of trying to read this entire thread) I finally pulled the trigger and sent an email to Jorg--looks like I'm gonna add a new baby 21012 to the family.

Still need to decide on what to get to power it though. Living in the Northern New England and working pretty much every day makes it hard to get out and test drive amps.

 

[The 0x]

My Weber-loaded 2x15 ain't cutting it as far as low end & dispersion goes. With my Sunn sceptre, if I have the bass above 1 or 2, it farts out at volume, especially while using overdrive. If I have the amp going full blast, it gets some low end, but only right in front. Stand 6 feet away, and you don't feel anything. The two 15s are only rated at 80 watts each, and designed to be vintage speaker replicas. I'm thinking a Schroeder 1212 would be the way to go for me (as I love the sound of overdriven 12s). Do the tweeters sound good with overdrive? Also, can I pump a good amount of low end using my 100 watt Sunn Sceptre, while still using power tube overdrive?

P.S. Just so you know, i'm going for [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] kind of sound, but with more booty.

 

[Larry Kaye]

That is one NASTY sounding rig in that recording. WOW....now back to the subject, The Schroeders are very efficient cabinets. The tweeters are not overbearing/brittle sounding. They're pretty musical...at least my 1210's one is.
I would probably look into the 1212 or a 21012 to help replicate that tone in your recording with more booty.

I had the 1210 recommended over the 1212 because I play a really broad variety of music and Brian Barrett, who's service by the way was unbelievable in helping me get what I needed by when I wanted it, suggested the 1210. He felt the 1212 has a more lowended voice and although both cut through well, he suggested that unless I needed a really bottom heavy vibe, to get the 1210 as a more versatile cabinet. As it is I'm now playing temporarily in a blues band, a top 40-Motown/disco 70's ish type of band, a piano bar/standards trio, and a 70's / 80's classic rock band. I've only used the cab with the Motown band. This weekend we're doing the Blues tonight and I believe we're rehearsing on sunday with the classic rocker. I think what Brian was saying is that the tone of the 1210 is more "useable" in more situations, just as the tone on Ox's recording is more specialized, so is the 1212 and what you're trying to replace with it might make the best decision making points. Call Brian, he can help.

Not many bassplayers around here looking for that overdrive sound these days I don't believe. Boy, does it fit perfect into the Who, cream, and a lotta other stuff from the 70's. Maybe other newer stuff I don't know about,

I hope this helps?

Lkaye

 

[slinkp]

I'm thinking a Schroeder 1212 would be the way to go for me (as I love the sound of overdriven 12s).

Maybe. It is, as has been noted, a fairly dark-sounding cab.
I find mine likes some midrange boost on the EQ.

Do the tweeters sound good with overdrive?

Better than many. You might want to roll off some of the tweeter,
though. 1212 sounds pretty good with it all the way up,
all the way off, or anywhere in between. I just played a bit
(at low volume) with my Keeley BD-2 (closest thing to ox-in-a-pedal
I've found so far... not 100% but it'll do for now). Sounded niiice.
I settled on the tweeter just barely on, and a healthy mid and treble
boost on the amp (AI Clarus).

Also, can I pump a good amount of low end using my 100 watt Sunn Sceptre, while still using power tube overdrive?

I don't think you need to worry about hurting the twelves since
the cab is rated to 1000 watts RMS.
Dunno about the tweeter... it's rated at 100 watts, and while 100 overdriven watts will still have most of the power in the lows and mids, I wonder what you'd end up feeding the tweeter.
The attenuator should help, but is there any danger
of burning something out? I dunno. Ask Jorg, he'll surely answer.

P.S. Just so you know, i'm going for [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] kind of sound, but with more booty.

Yeehaw! I love Entwistle. For a single-amp rig that's pretty darn good
I'd like to hear it recorded a little better, I bet it's awesome.