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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

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rockstarbassist said:
Really. That's interesting. I may have to A/B that next time we have a show in a couple of weeks. I've only played it vertical, so I donno how different the sound is.

Hmm! Who knew.
I think there is more booty (body, substance, solidness) to the low end when you're not real close to the cab when it's oriented normally.

I usually set up next to the drummer's snare (to his left); since the angled side is away from him, I turn the cab a bit more towards him so he can hear me better and then the angled side projects a bit more to the front (towards the audience).
 
I currently own a single 1210 and wonder which would have better low end, a single 21012, or pairing of 1210/1210 or 1210/1212?

The single cab 21012 would be able to take all 1,200 watts of the Stew 1.2 bridged, the combos would have to be split at 350 a side @ 4 ohms, I'm guessing.

If you answer one of the combos, how would you describe the tonal differences between the 1210/1210 and 1210/1212?
 
I have the 1210 & 1212, and I think they complement each other very nicely! The 1212 has a little more beef, and the 1210 adds a little more focus. You can always run the full bridge load from you power amp into the two cabs, they will be able to take the 1200 watts easily.
 
jerry said:
I have the 1210 & 1212, and I think they complement each other very nicely! The 1212 has a little more beef, and the 1210 adds a little more focus. You can always run the full bridge load from you power amp into the two cabs, they will be able to take the 1200 watts easily.
Since the 1210 & 1212 are 4ohm a piece, to run both off a bridged World series amp you'd have to hook them up in series to avoid a 2ohm load. Connected in series the amp would be driving an 8ohm load.
 
lo-freq said:
Since the 1210 & 1212 are 4ohm a piece, to run both off a bridged World series amp you'd have to hook them up in series to avoid a 2ohm load. Connected in series the amp would be driving an 8ohm load.



Dohhhhh....never listen to me ;)
 
lo-freq said:
Since the 1210 & 1212 are 4ohm a piece, to run both off a bridged World series amp you'd have to hook them up in series to avoid a 2ohm load. Connected in series the amp would be driving an 8ohm load.


that's what I do with my 1210 & 1212! with my tube head it doesn't change the output to be at 4 or 8 ohms so I got a series cable... and with my Crown, bridged series @ 8 ohms = 900 watts or 4 ohms a side @ 450 watts a piece.... it's all the same.

www.procablesnsound.com made me the custom cable for ~$50 (I got turned on to them by Henry (biker4him)... thanks again!)
 
JPJ said:
Just wondering...does Jorg get some kind of prize when this thing hits 100,000 views? :eyebrow:

:D

How about we all show up at one of the Hendrix Tribute Band gigs he does with his son ?

Jorg is a great guy, his kindness and human quality matches the excellence of his cabs. And has anyone else ever met his wonderful wife? She is one of the funniest, sweetest gals around.

Aloha,

Jonathan
 
Jonathan Starr said:
How about we all show up at one of the Hendrix Tribute Band gigs he does with his son ?

Jorg is a great guy, his kindness and human quality matches the excellence of his cabs. And has anyone else ever met his wonderful wife? She is one of the funniest, sweetest gals around.

Aloha,

Jonathan

+1

Jorg is good people. And so is his wife. I love my cabinet, but it makes it even sweeter knowing what a great guy the builder is.
 
Interesting...I've played my 1212 in several different settings in the past week, each with slightly different set ups...just to see how things translate. Each time I used my Mesa 400+ and the 1212 alone.

Friday night we played a mid-sized club, and as I used to do with my 4x10, I put my cab up on a chair (horizontal cab placement) with amp head on top. The mids were outstanding...maybe even a bit too much. I had a hard time dialing in some of the lows I wanted at our (loud) stage volume, and some of the notes on the fretboard were really jumping out, almost wolf notes (in the neighborhood of 9th fret) due to the mids and I had to be careful not to hit in that area too hard. I dialed my Mesa's bass (shift out) up to about 6.5, which is lots of boost, but at that volume the cab sounded like it was at it's limit with that low end. Everyone did agree that we had too loud a stage volume, so I guess that's not a surprise.

Monday night, a much smaller room, with my same rig...This time I turned the amp vertically and placed it on the cement floor. I pushed my master up a bit (right around 6.5 or 7) and brought both preamp volumes down. I also brought the bass down a touch to 4 (still plenty of boost) and also pulled the mid down to 7.5 (that's cut on the Mesa). I've got to say I really hated the sound of the cab on it's side. That tweeter (set about half) was killing me and the tone wasn't really speaking. Two songs in I stopped and changed the set up and put the cab on the horizontal, but stacked on a milk crate to get it up a bit. Much better.

Tonight we played a 'quiet' gig...an oddball well paying benefit in a department store. I put the 1212 right on the floor, amp on top, then our PA head/mixer on top of that. The Mesa was the same set up as before. I was quite worried that I wouldn't be able to hear myself well with the speakers by my ankles, even at low volumes. Hmmmmmm...Not a problem.The cab sounded the best it has so far...half way through the set, we turned up a bit to 'mid volume' and it was still good. I even brought up the mids a bit, but didn't have to touch my lows. They were just fine! Once again I didn't have to push either amp or cab too hard.

It will be very cool to see how Saturday's gig goes...mid-to-large room...good system, and a big hollow stage. I've been toying with the thought of bringing my Avatar SB112 with the 1212, but I'd love to not bring it. I think I'm still getting used to the more precise sound from this cab, I love the tight punchiness, but still worry about missing some of the fat lows.

Any advice or commentary?
 
BurningSkies said:
I put the 1212 right on the floor...

*snip*

I was quite worried that I wouldn't be able to hear myself well with the speakers by my ankles, even at low volumes. Hmmmmmm...Not a problem. The cab sounded the best it has so far

I've never felt a need to change the orientation of mine. I like the 1210 coupled to the floor and the 1212 on top.... sitting how Jorg intended them too :bassist:
 
With any cabinet you are going to loose lowend when you raise the cab off the ground.

Design wise laying it horiz. on the ground is perfect, but you might try standing it up again just make sure its sitting on the ground and not on a crate of some type.

Trust me when I say, don't be affraid that you won't hear the cab laying down. You will actually hear and feel it better if its correctly positioned on the ground.

I'm sure many other's will chime in with setting a cab on a crate or box and the loss of response.
 
I have no problem with hearing my cab when I place it on the ground as it was meant to be placed.



Then again it is a 3101212. :D

Ive played more gigs with more success. Most recently I played a batte of the bands at my old high school as a favor to some old friends and I ran a RMX2450 through it. Drums, guitars, vocals and anything else under the sun went through PA, but I just went off my own power and I sounded clearer and better than anything else. It was never really overpowering either and I got to hear it from the crowd too since all the other bands after mine asked to borrow the rig.

It kicked.

At all the gigs before that, Ive been recieving compliments on how the drumer, rythm guitar and I are very tight. Not just once or twice recently, but consistantly. I atribute that to the fact that we can all really hear each other and lock in now.
 
I definitely like the way the cab sounds in "normal," horizontal position. I have a 1210. The only times I've turned the cabinet to vertical is when we're really, really pressed for stage room. It has happened twice so far. With my last three rigs now, the 1210 Schroeder alone, 2 Low Down Sound 2x8 cabs, and two EA 208 cabs, I've preferred having all the cabinets horizontal and NOT even stacked upon each other if there was enough stage room to do so.

If you get into a really rumbly room, I still wouldn't turn the cabinet horizontal. Just maybe up the mids and highs, and slightly cut the lows from where you normally have them.

I've yet to have any problmes hearning myself with the 1210 horizontal, and there's only been one gig where I was just average pleased with the tone of the 1210 and that was more of where an inexperienced soundman positioned my place on the stage....every other gig so far, which now I believe numbers around 12 have all been extremely successful tone and volume wise with a single cabinet.

I'm really lookng forward to my band's first time gigging at the Cleveland HOuse of Blues this Friday.

Schroeder 1210, AI Focus 600 1, Mike Lull Mv5, and my handy DOD 31 band eq. taking on Cleveland. Cool..

Lkaye
 
What do you guys think of the handle placement on the 1212 and 1210?

It seems like it would be a lot easier to carry vertically (esp. up and down my narrow staircase!). I emailled Jorg about installing handles on the top and bottom and he said that it wasn't a good idea. How's the schlep with these things?
 
Brian Barrett said:
With any cabinet you are going to loose lowend when you raise the cab off the ground.

Design wise laying it horiz. on the ground is perfect, but you might try standing it up again just make sure its sitting on the ground and not on a crate of some type.

Trust me when I say, don't be affraid that you won't hear the cab laying down. You will actually hear and feel it better if its correctly positioned on the ground.

I'm sure many other's will chime in with setting a cab on a crate or box and the loss of response.

I've alway been of the mind to raise my cab a bit so I can have a bit more control of my sound. With my 4x10, it could get really boomy when directly on the stage or floor. I also prescribed to the notion that having the speakers up towards my ears would help me hear what's coming out of them.

I think what I've discovered with the 1212 is that it's much more precise sounding, and as such, maybe doesn't need to be off the floor...and since it's got good close range dispersion, its still loud at ankle height.

Just to clarify...I'm very happy with my 1212...but I did use my last cab as my only cab for 12 years, so I have some habits to change with a new set up. It's like learning all over again! I'm having fun trying out different set-ups and seeing how things work.
 
I will be posting some pictures of the rig over the weekend. Hopefully there will be people there to hear us at the House of Blues. We are a classic and newer rock band playing in the restaurant/lounge area while a semi rap-ish band is concerting in the main stage area. I'm excited...I just hope we have a lotta friends show up.

Lkaye
 
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