I remember doing the calcs ages ago, and the Acme's Max SPL's were in the mid to high 120 dB's. The Eden's went into the 130's, abliet with less bottom end. I'll re-do the math and post here when I get a spare minute.
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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)
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I checked these out at the Low End the other night, and they are very impressive. Even the smallest cabinet had incredible presence and volume. I play through an SWR Goliath Sr. 6x10 so I am used to and prefer a loud cab with a really big sound. I'm going to have to go back and play some more, but these cabs aren't just hype- they are pretty incredible.
geshel said:
You're quite right, I misspoke. The purpose of my post was not to claim that any product was superior to any other, but rather use a personal anecdote as an example of how what may be implied by specs may or may not translate into what an individual experiences. What should have said is that the Acme was capable of providing a bigger sound to my ears than the Eden, because regardless of the specs, the Acmes seemed to be able to move more air and create more rumble than the Edens when powered by the same amp.
I too, doubt that the Acmes could handle a sine wave at 4 times the power that the Eden could handle. The point that I was clumsily trying to make was that specs are helpful but not a substitute for actually hearing for yourself whether model A meets your needs more than model B. In other words the specs are only one indication of whether a Schroeder cab will help Basjamn with his volume battle more or less than the Eden. He should, if possible, play one himself to see if it will help him better to be heard.
Sorry for being redundant and not being clearer!
jivetkr said:
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this one is a 21012 on the bottom left and 410 on the bottom right. The 310 will looks like the 21012 but with a 10 inside instead of the 12. The 212 will look like the 1210 from the front.
Jorg said to expect new updated photos after NAMM
If it's the 310 I saw at Jorg's today, I think that's what I want when I upgrade my cab.
The 112 I heard today also put my Carvin 410 to shame.
The 112 I heard today also put my Carvin 410 to shame.
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Joey;
thanks for the prompt reply. I appreciate pics just for my records, but I won't file a claim with Fedex, it's not worth the trouble for a few bucks. They want then to pick up your cab, investigate, etc., etc.
I am just glad that things worked out.
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Jorg
thanks for the prompt reply. I appreciate pics just for my records, but I won't file a claim with Fedex, it's not worth the trouble for a few bucks. They want then to pick up your cab, investigate, etc., etc.
I am just glad that things worked out.
Sincerely,
Jorg
Well...I didn't get to A/B the Berg HT322 & Schroeder 410 before I sent the 322 off on a trade-in.
The bass guitarist that originally was auditioning the 410 was previously an Epifani T310 (nyc) owner. He played my 322 with his rack gear (Dem 201S & World 2.1) and a ThunderFunk head. He said the Berg was smaller sounding than the 410.
I love the Berg sound, but I definitely think the Schroeder 410 has more apparent loudness at a given power level, tighter low end, and better cut-through tone.
All the Bergantinos I've heard are what I would call the most musical cabs I've auditioned with a very open and smooth midrange and treble.
I haven't heard any of the NVxxx series & I haven't yet heard the HT/EX112 mini stack (just a HT112 by itself).
My next indoor gig is July 16th. I'll probably post another mini-review after that (the club did have pretty crappy acoustics the last time I played there, so we'll see how the 410 fares in a less than ideal venue).
The bass guitarist that originally was auditioning the 410 was previously an Epifani T310 (nyc) owner. He played my 322 with his rack gear (Dem 201S & World 2.1) and a ThunderFunk head. He said the Berg was smaller sounding than the 410.
I love the Berg sound, but I definitely think the Schroeder 410 has more apparent loudness at a given power level, tighter low end, and better cut-through tone.
All the Bergantinos I've heard are what I would call the most musical cabs I've auditioned with a very open and smooth midrange and treble.
I haven't heard any of the NVxxx series & I haven't yet heard the HT/EX112 mini stack (just a HT112 by itself).
My next indoor gig is July 16th. I'll probably post another mini-review after that (the club did have pretty crappy acoustics the last time I played there, so we'll see how the 410 fares in a less than ideal venue).
I think the reason why the answer is "no" is the same reason why my 210/115 rig sound better with the 210's on the bottom, 115 on top. The 210's on the floor give tight low end. The 15 sounds muddier when put on the floor, more articulate when stacked off the ground. The 10's stay tight sounding on the ground. More so than the 15.
lo-freq said:
How well do the Shroeder cabs reproduce the Low B? That is one aread where my Bergantino HT322 shines. It has been the "one cab" that nails that Low B String just as strong without losing punch or chuffing. Do the Shroeders handle the Low B well enough to use a single cabinet? If so, which Model Shroeder would handle the low B string notes the best? Thanks! - Gary
Also, keep in mind that the Schroeder cabs are in no way a folded horn design. Yes, there is a horn on the side, but it's not the kind you see on a 1x18" subwoofer. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it allows the lows, mids, and highs of the speaker through, rather than cutting the mids/highs and boosting the sublows like you would expect in a horn.
I also plan on jumping on the Schroeder bandwagon, but this Neodymium idea sounds pretty interesting. Jorg, do you think it'll happen any time soon? The main reason why I want the Schroeders right now is for the volume and depth from a tiny and lightweight cabinet. From your site's stats, the cabs aren't bad in terms of size and weight right now, but a 10 or 20lb. reduction couldn't hurt
I also plan on jumping on the Schroeder bandwagon, but this Neodymium idea sounds pretty interesting. Jorg, do you think it'll happen any time soon? The main reason why I want the Schroeders right now is for the volume and depth from a tiny and lightweight cabinet. From your site's stats, the cabs aren't bad in terms of size and weight right now, but a 10 or 20lb. reduction couldn't hurt
Roscoe5 said:
The deepest would be the 21012, the only cab that goes down to 35Hz as opposed to the 40Hz of all the other cabs. Of course, statistics are meaningless, but from what I've been told by Jorg and crew, the 21012 is like the 410 but less tight with more booty. From reading this thread, apparently the 21012 is also louder... personally, I think that'd be the perfect cab, but I suppose some players would want the extra definition of the 410.
I live on my B string in my band. I mainly play my fretless 6 Benavente with its big ole dual coil in teh neck/P spot... AND with flats. I've never heard a B string sound as deep, full, tight, clear as through my little 1210.
Roscoe5 said:
I can only speak with regards to the 410 (haven't heard the other models yet -- hope to play through the 1210 this next week -- another bassist near by is getting one).
The Schroeder 410's reproduction of the low 'B' is tighter, more defined, and more solid than the HT322.
My review after an outdoor gig is here.
P.S. The HT322 is a great cab for outdoor gigs as well.
lo-freq said:
Thanks Lo-Freq ... VEry interested in checking out the 4X10 and the 21012. Any idea what the URL is for the Shroeder website? I know it's here somewhere, but being such a long thread, I figured I would just ask. - Gary
That's not really the same concept at all (dispersion vs. floor coupling) as the Schroeder design, although I somewhat see your point.brock29609 said:
Why then, in the 21012 cab (hope that's the right number) is the 12" folded and the 2 10" speakers front loaded (a design that makes more sense to me vs. the smaller 1x12" + 1x10" reversed setup)?
Seems to me the design theory should hold true in both cabs.
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