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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

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Yep I still think Schroeders are the best cabinets for me.

We played in this room a couple of weeks ago. We've played there before, and I always let them run me through the PA, and I never felt comfortable about my tone. (This was before I had another great "all in one" cabinet that probably would have sounded great in there.. but a little boomy).

This room seats 1500, it's all brick walls, vaulted ceiling, with bricked support beams that hang down 3 feet from the ceiling. The back of the room is solid wood. It's a typical nicely built church auditorium. However, with all the brick, the bass tends to sound either really boomy and muddy, or is turned down to such low volumes you might as well not be playing. The place was about half full, and I had discussed it with the soundguy previous to the show that I did NOT want to run through the PA. I could easily sound the place with my 1210 and 21012 combination.

The drummer is in a plexiglass cage to keep the drums from sounding like crap. They were all mic'd, as were the two guitarists, and our three vocal mikes. I set my 21012 to the drummer right, with the side firing pointed right into his cage as he prefers to have a healthy doese of bass in his ears. I put the 1210 on the other side of the cage. O.K. now ya'll have the picture of the setup.

We played 50 minutes, took a 10 minute break, and played another 75 minutes. During the break the soundguy said what all Schroederism converts have heard "Dude, that the best bass we've ever heard in this building!" I didn't think you could do it but it sounds phenomenal. on, and on he droned while I desperately wanted to get a drink and mingle with peeps. As we ended the conversation he asked me if I could turn down a little. He said I was just a tad loud compared to the rest of the mix. I nicely said I would. I looked at my rig, and had the master volume set around 3 out of 10 if you want to grade it that way ("But mine goes to 11..) So I turned off the 1210, and ran just the 21012. After the show... everyone commented, the soundguy drooled and fawned, etc. All Schroederites have heard the accolades.

Here's the thing. I think the 1210 could probably have done the job by itself. The 21012 did a wonderful job, and the combo could easily have run everyone out of the room.

Daggum I like my Schroeders.!!
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#1,846
I just got a 1212 recently, and I was shocked that it was almost as tight as my other 1210. When I had played the 1212 last, it seemed much darker and not as responsive as the 1210. The two, 1210 and 1212 combined sound really good. Does anyone play a 1210 and a 1212 together, and if so, how do you set them up...1210 on top or 1212 on top? I currently have my 1212 on top, but I'm wonderring if it should be on the bottom.
 
#1,847
Biker4Him said:
Yep I still think Schroeders are the best cabinets for me.

We played in this room a couple of weeks ago. We've played there before, and I always let them run me through the PA, and I never felt comfortable about my tone. (This was before I had another great "all in one" cabinet that probably would have sounded great in there.. but a little boomy).

This room seats 1500, it's all brick walls, vaulted ceiling, with bricked support beams that hang down 3 feet from the ceiling. The back of the room is solid wood. It's a typical nicely built church auditorium. However, with all the brick, the bass tends to sound either really boomy and muddy, or is turned down to such low volumes you might as well not be playing. The place was about half full, and I had discussed it with the soundguy previous to the show that I did NOT want to run through the PA. I could easily sound the place with my 1210 and 21012 combination.

The drummer is in a plexiglass cage to keep the drums from sounding like crap. They were all mic'd, as were the two guitarists, and our three vocal mikes. I set my 21012 to the drummer right, with the side firing pointed right into his cage as he prefers to have a healthy doese of bass in his ears. I put the 1210 on the other side of the cage. O.K. now ya'll have the picture of the setup.

We played 50 minutes, took a 10 minute break, and played another 75 minutes. During the break the soundguy said what all Schroederism converts have heard "Dude, that the best bass we've ever heard in this building!" I didn't think you could do it but it sounds phenomenal. on, and on he droned while I desperately wanted to get a drink and mingle with peeps. As we ended the conversation he asked me if I could turn down a little. He said I was just a tad loud compared to the rest of the mix. I nicely said I would. I looked at my rig, and had the master volume set around 3 out of 10 if you want to grade it that way ("But mine goes to 11..) So I turned off the 1210, and ran just the 21012. After the show... everyone commented, the soundguy drooled and fawned, etc. All Schroederites have heard the accolades.

Here's the thing. I think the 1210 could probably have done the job by itself. The 21012 did a wonderful job, and the combo could easily have run everyone out of the room.

Daggum I like my Schroeders.!!
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Very Cool!
 
#1,848
Halftooth said:
I just got a 1212 recently, and I was shocked that it was almost as tight as my other 1210. When I had played the 1212 last, it seemed much darker and not as responsive as the 1210. The two, 1210 and 1212 combined sound really good. Does anyone play a 1210 and a 1212 together, and if so, how do you set them up...1210 on top or 1212 on top? I currently have my 1212 on top, but I'm wonderring if it should be on the bottom.
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If you want more bottom, put the 1212 on bottom.

Some rooms you might want to change it up depending on the acoustics.
 
#1,853
So I'm currently using Epifani NYC 210 and 212. I went to see the Schroeder cab that everyone loves so much at Basses Electric in Rancho Cordova. Juan is fabulous by the way! I tread carefully in this megathread but felt the need to be honest and balanced.

I tried the Schroeder 1210 and the 1212. With all due homage to everyone and everything, I didn't care for them. Seemed too agressive and mid centric for me. Different stroke for different folks of course. I can see how they cut and get loud but I didn't care for the tone. They are nicely portable and all. I spent 5-10 minutes playing with them. Sorry not my gig I guess. I liked my reference Epi T-210 better.

So my attention shifted to the Bergantino stuff. I've heard many compliments of the 322 so I checked it out. I concur. Very nice full tone. Box is too big for my taste though. I like the idea of multiple portable boxes which can be mixed and matched to taste.

Juan suggested the tried and true HT115 and HT210s configuration. Mmm -- yes, that's what I'm talking about. Good extension towards the low end. (I'm a 5 string Dingwaller by the way.) Nice cut in the mids and a sweeter high end than my Epi. (I think my current high end edge problem is partly caused by my Demeter HBP-1 SS pre.)

I examined the HT210s and HT115 in isolation. I like this 210 better than my Epi 210. Seemed to have nicer B string output although it's a smaller box. Might be my ears I guess. Jim B. tells me the older box (the non-S version) was bigger and deeper. Haven't heard it so I can't compare, but I liked the 210s very much, especially in conjunction with the HT115.

The HT115 surprised me. I wasn't thinking of a 15" at all, but I really liked this one. I could see using it alone, although I always expected to use the 210 for practice and such. It was deep and strong but with a surprising clarity and quickness. Very nice.

So I walked out determined to swap my Epi 210 for a Bergantino HT210s and HT115. So that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

... Mark
 
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netefx said:
So I'm currently using Epifani NYC 210 and 212. I went to see the Schroeder cab that everyone loves so much at Basses Electric in Rancho Cordova. Juan is fabulous by the way! I tread carefully in this megathread but felt the need to be honest and balanced.

I tried the Schroeder 1210 and the 1212. With all due homage to everyone and everything, I didn't care for them. Seemed too agressive and mid centric for me. Different stroke for different folks of course. I can see how they cut and get loud but I didn't care for the tone. They are nicely portable and all. I spent 5-10 minutes playing with them. Sorry not my gig I guess. I liked my reference Epi T-210 better.

So my attention shifted to the Bergantino stuff. I've heard many compliments of the 322 so I checked it out. I concur. Very nice full tone. Box is too big for my taste though. I like the idea of multiple portable boxes which can be mixed and matched to taste.

Juan suggested the tried and true HT115 and HT210s configuration. Mmm -- yes, that's what I'm talking about. Good extension towards the low end. (I'm a 5 string Dingwaller by the way.) Nice cut in the mids and a sweeter high end than my Epi. (I think my current high end edge problem is partly caused by my Demeter HBP-1 SS pre.)

I examined the HT210s and HT115 in isolation. I like this 210 better than my Epi 210. Seemed to have nicer B string output although it's a smaller box. Might be my ears I guess. Jim B. tells me the older box (the non-S version) was bigger and deeper. Haven't heard it so I can't compare, but I liked the 210s very much, especially in conjunction with the HT115.

The HT115 surprised me. I wasn't thinking of a 15" at all, but I really liked this one. I could see using it alone, although I always expected to use the 210 for practice and such. It was deep and strong but with a surprising clarity and quickness. Very nice.

So I walked out determined to swap my Epi 210 for a Bergantino HT210s and HT115. So that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

... Mark
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One thing to consider at Juan's place is the sound in that building is a bit misleading as far as my ears could tell the few times I was there. I was sort of disappointed in both 1210 and 1212 when there, but later I decided to take the plunge on a 1210 used, and when it arrived at my house, it sounded different and better than I remembered. You just may not like the cabs, but it's just something take into considerration the accoustics in his place.
 
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Halftooth said:
One thing to consider at Juan's place is the sound in that building is a bit misleading as far as my ears could tell the few times I was there. I was sort of disappointed in both 1210 and 1212 when there, but later I decided to take the plunge on a 1210 used, and when it arrived at my house, it sounded different and better than I remembered. You just may not like the cabs, but it's just something take into considerration the accoustics in his place.
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Well, it's always possible to not like something. I mean, I tried a Thunderfunk head with a Schroeder 1210 hoping to like it, but didn't.

At least he gave it a shot and listened with his own ears before he made a decision :rollno:

Depending on what setup you're using, you're going to get vastly different sounds out of a cab. When I was looking for a new head, I tried 4-5 different ones with a Schroeder cab since that's what I had at home. Some were way too woofy when set flat (a problem that my Walkabout has). I am very happy with my choice of an Aguilar AG500SC with my 1210.
 
#1,857
I'd love to be on the Schroeder payroll.

Jorg, are you listening? I'll wear hats and t-shirts everywhere I go, I'll put a Schroeder banner on stage behind me.

Heck I'll wear Schroeder panties if I get a Schroeder sponsorship and 2 cabs of my choice;)
 
#1,858
I have to admit, when I first plugged into my Schroeder cab I wasn't sure if I liked the sound or not. I kept an open mind and waited until I could hear the cab in a live setting before judging. I am glad I did so, many of the frequencies that I dial in when I am at home would never cut through the mix on a gig. And this is the premise behind Jorgs design, to be able to hear yourself as well as provide lots of thump. I do not think anyone can fairly asses the effectiveness of a bass amp in a music store. Some setups I have purchased actually sounded worse at home as compared to G.C.
 
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netefx said:
So I'm currently using Epifani NYC 210 and 212. I went to see the Schroeder cab that everyone loves so much at Basses Electric in Rancho Cordova. Juan is fabulous by the way! I tread carefully in this megathread but felt the need to be honest and balanced.

I tried the Schroeder 1210 and the 1212. With all due homage to everyone and everything, I didn't care for them. Seemed too agressive and mid centric for me. Different stroke for different folks of course. I can see how they cut and get loud but I didn't care for the tone. They are nicely portable and all. I spent 5-10 minutes playing with them. Sorry not my gig I guess. I liked my reference Epi T-210 better.

So my attention shifted to the Bergantino stuff. I've heard many compliments of the 322 so I checked it out. I concur. Very nice full tone. Box is too big for my taste though. I like the idea of multiple portable boxes which can be mixed and matched to taste.

Juan suggested the tried and true HT115 and HT210s configuration. Mmm -- yes, that's what I'm talking about. Good extension towards the low end. (I'm a 5 string Dingwaller by the way.) Nice cut in the mids and a sweeter high end than my Epi. (I think my current high end edge problem is partly caused by my Demeter HBP-1 SS pre.)

I examined the HT210s and HT115 in isolation. I like this 210 better than my Epi 210. Seemed to have nicer B string output although it's a smaller box. Might be my ears I guess. Jim B. tells me the older box (the non-S version) was bigger and deeper. Haven't heard it so I can't compare, but I liked the 210s very much, especially in conjunction with the HT115.

The HT115 surprised me. I wasn't thinking of a 15" at all, but I really liked this one. I could see using it alone, although I always expected to use the 210 for practice and such. It was deep and strong but with a surprising clarity and quickness. Very nice.

So I walked out determined to swap my Epi 210 for a Bergantino HT210s and HT115. So that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

... Mark
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Thanks for your input.

Epifani's and Schroeder's are two completely different cups of tea and the Berg's that I've heard are somewhere in between.

I had an HT322 and loved most of its tone, but I usually had a hard time hearing myself onstage and some of the older Berg cabs have a very tubey type of sound to them which can get somewhat lost in the mix.

I think the low end on my Schroeder 410 is very noticeably tighter than that of the HT322 (especially when you start to crank them) and of course, the mids cut through better in a band setting.

I haven't heard any of the newer Bergs so, I can't comment on them.

We bass players are lucky to have all the very good equipment to choose from these days.

Anyway, the main thing with the Schroeders is "if you haven't heard them on a gig, you haven't really heard them".

P.S. Don't know how they were set up when you played them, but they sound best horizontal on the floor, as well.
 
#1,860
Such a shameless attempt at a sponsorship.
I wish i had thought of it :D
Chef said:
I'd love to be on the Schroeder payroll.

Jorg, are you listening? I'll wear hats and t-shirts everywhere I go, I'll put a Schroeder banner on stage behind me.

Heck I'll wear Schroeder panties if I get a Schroeder sponsorship and 2 cabs of my choice;)
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