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Selling off my heavy PA-going with powered stuff.

But, there is the occasional outdoor gig as well.
Our pa does what it does. If they want a monster outdoor pa they need to pay for it.

But we did a couple of outdoor shows recently. The first was downtown. They were doing a series of local bands on Friday nights and everyone had to provide pa. We had one kw181 center in front of stage. We place 2 k12s and and 2 k10s in a little array on the center of the stage (about 5 feet high) for 180 degree coverage. People said we had the best sound of the summer.

The next day was a multi band thing with pro sound co providing pa. Huge bass bins. 2 on each side serving as stands for tops. Top dollar stuff with fancy digital boards. I listened to 3 bands and thought it sounded like a big am transistor radio.
 
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Thanks for the feedback. My "plan" (if there is one) was to get 2 iQ15s and an iQ18 sub. But, I also like going lighter wherever possible so maybe I should consider going 12s with a 15 sub? This would be my first set of PA gear so I'm not quite sure how much I'd really be giving up going a little smaller. I should note most of the venues I play have PA support and the ones that don't are (no surprise) smaller rooms. But, there is the occasional outdoor gig as well.

Well the the iQ18b is a little over a hundred pounds although their subs do come with casters. The iQ15's weigh about 57 lbs and aren't to bad to schlepp around using the top handle but for some unknown reason they didn't put a second side handle on and it makes it difficult to get them on stands. The iQ10's are super easy to move around, are almost as loud as the 15's but don't have as much bottom, which I'm hoping the 15 sub will compensate for. I'll let you know next week how that works out.
 
Well the dxrs are in the same league as the k series but they are cheaper. I had a Yamaha DBR12 that I used for 6 months as a monitor and also a bass amp on some gigs . It worked well but I traded it in when I bought a pair of DXR12s. The DBR sounds fine but not quite as good as the DXRs. The cabinet material is also different and feels more flimsy to me.

Appreciate the info. I actually knew the difference between the two but I keep mixing up the models. For some reason I can't get it in my head that the DXR is the more expensive model and DBR the cheaper ones. It's delayed many a Google info search :-).
It was actually your recommendations of Yamaha speakers on TB that had me taking a look at them in the first place, as Yamaha PA speakers are rarely seen or heard in my area. While I'm not always wild about your tone on TB, I greatly respect your knowledge of equipment. I'm glad to hear the DBRs sound fine to you, as I was pretty impressed with them in the store and I love the weight. I'm a huge QSC fan but for monitors and smaller acoustic shows I'd rather get two DBR10s for the price of one K10.
If I was looking for new FOH I'd be more likely to spend a bit more and get K12s over DXR12s, not because of sound quality but because I have more real world experience with them. I work part time doing stage setups for a sound company (not a tech... I'm the muscle LOL!) and they use a ton of K12s, 10s and 8s, so I've seen first hand that these things can take a licking and keep on ticking. I know Yamaha has a great rep for reliability too but it's just not the same as seeing it for myself.
 
We just pulled the trigger on JBL PRX735s. As mentioned above, these are being discounted due to an upcoming change in the line up. We think we'd be able to get by without a sub for now as these 3-way speakers have a pretty low frequency response. I'll report back on how they work.
 
We just pulled the trigger on JBL PRX735s. As mentioned above, these are being discounted due to an upcoming change in the line up. We think we'd be able to get by without a sub for now as these 3-way speakers have a pretty low frequency response. I'll report back on how they work.
The problem with those speakers is they don't have a pole socket IIRC. You need to get them up in the air since they are barely over 3ft tall.
 
While waiting for my mains to arrive I've been looking into powered subs. Gigs are mostly small clubs. I am wondering if 2 of these would cover 50 to 100 people?

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Buy one decent sub and leave the POS ones alone. !22db max spl is terrible. I also like how they say their 3 year warranty is one of the best in the business. WRONG maybe compared to crap by kustom or harbinger.
 
if you're ok with 2 ohm woofers that is... look under the hood of those prx's.

I'm not sure what downside of a 2 ohm driver in a powered speaker would be. It would typically be driven by an amplifier that is specifically designed for it and connected with a very short wire run. There would never be a case where there would be an additional driver connected to the power amp output.
However, I well might be missing something obvious.
 
1 step too close to a dead short for my taste. Been there, done that with PRX 612m's Took my lumps and moved on. I'm not a Harmon hater either. I just invested in a Soundcraft si Expression 3... I've been a JBL/BSS/DBX/Soundcraft fan for years. I feel like Harmon marketing dominated the series and that did not make them best in class. Just making a price point... YMMV and all that.
 
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I was using big heavy Peavey SP 2G mains that I bought new in 1996. I added two SP 118 subs and three SP 115M monitors over the years. My board was a 16 channel rack mount DOD that I also bought new in the 1990s. I powered it all with a trio of elderly Crown DC300C amps from the 1970s that I bought cheap in the 80s. It was decidedly low tech, but it didn't sound bad. And, it was stone reliable for nearly 20 years. That rig had paid for itself over and over again. The down side was that it weighed as much as the van that I carried it in and between that and my drum kit in cases it filled my van to the roof, front to back. Still, I didn't see a reason to replace it. With the exception of my Crown power amps, most of the stuff that I used previous to this rig was cheap junk. I learned my lesson. Although far from high end, the Peavey SP gear was reliable respectable gear. To me it was the right price point.

In 2010 I started gigging as a hand percussionist. That huge setup was no longer needed. I bought a Peavey XR8600 eight channel powered head. The frontman had a few small Yamaha speakers that we used as a main and monitors. It worked for what we were doing.

In December of 2013 I subbed with a band that had a Presonus Studiolive 16 4 2 digital board and QSC K-12s. WOW! It sounded good, everything was lightweight and it didn't take up the whole back of a van. It made me rethink PA sound completely.

I bought two used K-12 speakers to start. I bought a used Studiolive 16 4 2 and carrying case. I picked up a couple of more K-12s, this time brand new. Eventually I bought a K-sub to use for acoustic gigs and a KW118 for rock gigs. I stumbled upon a second K-Sub, this time used so cheap that I could not pass it up. It took me almost a year of saving and shopping to put this whole rig together. It is worth every dollar each time that I have to haul it and set it up.

I get the OP's comment that the "QSC and JBL are way above what my band mates and I can justify, most likely ever...". Each time I've taken my time putting together sound systems, waiting for deals, but getting exactly what I wanted. My Peavey rig from the 90s was a stretch financially at the time. I had around $3,000 into it. Although that rig doesn't sound fancy at all now, it did a great job for a very long time. I likely used it for easily over a 1000 gigs in that nearly 20 year period. I sold off the old rig piece by piece and got a little over $1,000 for it all. That more than passed the "bang for the buck" test to me.

I don't expect to get 20 years of use out of this new rig. But, by buying quality I can likely get some money for it after I've gotten my use from it. Since I finished putting together the QSC/Presonus setup in 2014 I've done over 100 gigs with it. I've already gotten my money's worth out of it. The rest is gravy.

I don't think that I'm a gear snob, I did use a Peavey PA for a long time. I do think that sometimes you get what you pay for, to me PA gear is one of those times.
 
Going through the same process here curently have a mackie 1604 into 2 powered amps into JBL Mpro 415s...gonna start by getting a 15" sub then go to powered moniters a digital board (touchmix or x32). Then the k12s problem is the old stuff ain't worth that much.
 
MF has the 15% thing going. I'm thinking about taking one for the team and ordering a pair of the dark matter 112's to see how they compare with the k10's. If they're decent I'd have monitors for my micro PA. DL1608, 2 k10's, 2 DM112's, 2 zxa1 subs.
 
We did something similar in our band. Had massive heavy gear we lugged to every show whether we needed it or not.
It took an exceptionally sub zero new year's Eve.
Sold it all purchased 2 QSC K12s and 2 QSC KW18s and never looked backed.

We love them and never sounded better. We pump everything through the system and now are ampless and use IEMs.
 
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