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SGD Lutherie Pickups

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I am glad you are a satisfied customer, but for people to cite the facts of their dealings, or other people to react to these facts is not bashing. And David does himself no favors with many of his responses. Now, do some cross the line in their criticisms? Certainly. Just as others cross a different line to defend his actions. And BTW, last I looked the other thread was closed, so this is now it.
kerryg said:
I am an entirely satisfied customer, and although I sympathize with your frustrations you've got an entire thread devoted to SGD bashing and been allowed to state your case here, so enough now.
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fRiGhTnIghT1971 said:
Actually, somebody should contact "Better bass gear" or whoever the hell his deal is with and make these threads available to them so that they know what they are getting into. I would hate to have more musicians go through this if they didn't have to.
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I'm not in a position to invalidate your experiences so far, and I can certainly understand your frustration - after all, my oldest open order just turned four years old last month. But this last comment of yours seems spiteful to me. Was your goal to sour the deal and prevent anyone from going through any kind of experience of ordering David's pickups through a distributor? Wouldn't that hurt all parties?

It's reasonable to assume that Best Bass Gear has people who check these forums and do their own research. I'm going to assume that they did so, and made an informed decision about whether to carry SGD's pickups and help support his future business. It's also reasonable to assume that they have some sort of arrangement with David to make sure that pickups are delivered, because that's how both David and BBG are going to profit from this arrangement in the long term. I don't think any of us are in a position to second-guess that decision.

I once received a really slow reply to a fax (not an e-mail, a fax, in the 21st century, for crying in the beer! I don't even own a fax machine... ahem.) to Bartolini regarding a pickup issue that needed to be resolved. Following your logic, should a disgruntled "somebody" drop BBG an e-mail and demand they drop Bartolini pickups from their catalog, simply because they were slow to respond and rather hard to reach?
 
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FWIW, I made one custom order with Bartolini several years ago and it never arrived. I also tried to work with them on a pickup with a hum issue, heard back from Bill once, then never again... No resolution. But I don't spend any significant amount of time trying to stop Bartolini from doing business...
 
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JoeWPgh said:
I am glad you are a satisfied customer, but for people to cite the facts of their dealings, or other people to react to these facts is not bashing. And David does himself no favors with many of his responses. Now, do some cross the line in their criticisms? Certainly. Just as others cross a different line to defend his actions. And BTW, last I looked the other thread was closed, so this is now it.
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Go away and start a new thread...

Enough bashing...

Move on
 
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JoeWPgh said:
I am glad you are a satisfied customer, but for people to cite the facts of their dealings, or other people to react to these facts is not bashing. And David does himself no favors with many of his responses. Now, do some cross the line in their criticisms? Certainly. Just as others cross a different line to defend his actions. And BTW, last I looked the other thread was closed, so this is now it.
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I don't think anybody is defending his actions. At this point, the relentless and repetitive negative comments, attacks, etc. do nothing to help the situation. All I see are individuals suggesting that we move away from that to something a little more constructive.
If the other thread has been shut down - start another one.
If you wish to continue what fourstringbliss (correctly IMO) described as a merry-go-round; then by all means, go ahead. It will certainly not help.
 
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rumblinbass said:
I don't think anybody is defending his actions. At this point, the relentless and repetitive negative comments, attacks, etc. do nothing to help the situation. All I see are individuals suggesting that we move away from that to something a little more constructive.
If the other thread has been shut down - start another one.
If you wish to continue what fourstringbliss (correctly IMO) described as a merry-go-round; then by all means, go ahead. It will certainly not help.
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And singing his praises might persuade someone who may have not seen the previous thread to be stuck in the same situation as other people. And yes, there are people defending his actions, and I can't for the life of me understand why. If someone was bashing his pickups because they didn't like the sound of them that's one thing, but complaining about the fact that they have not received their products is entirely different. I don't see any body in the DR Bass or Darrin Huff thread accusing people of bashing them and telling them to go away.
 
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Hopkins said:
And singing his praises might persuade someone who may have not seen the previous thread to be stuck in the same situation as other people. And yes, there are people defending his actions, and I can't for the life of me understand why. If someone was bashing his pickups because they didn't like the sound of them that's one thing, but complaining about the fact that they have not received their products is entirely different. I don't see any body in the DR Bass or Darrin Huff thread accusing people of bashing them and telling them to go away.
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Nobody is suppressing your views. You've all had the floor and been allowed to speak. We have been informed. Thank you.

You are clearly no longer motivated by the laudable desire to warn and inform, but by sheer spite. It is making coming to Talkbass to get information a dark, negative, bitter experience.

We are not defending SGD from you. We are defending TalkBass from you.
 
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kerryg said:
Nobody is suppressing your views. You've all had the floor and been allowed to speak. We have been informed. Thank you.

You are clearly no longer motivated by the laudable desire to warn and inform, but by sheer spite. It is making coming to Talkbass to get information a dark, negative, bitter experience.

We are not defending SGD from you. We are defending TalkBass from you.
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You do not know me, and you do not know my reasons. I also contribute quite a bit to this website, and will offer up any information I have, which is quite abundant when it comes to bass set up, repair, building, and finishing. Accusing me of ruining Talkbass and saying you need to defend it from my dark, bitter, negativity is a bit dramatic isn't it.
 
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I don't know you, and I don't intend to address you in the singular but everybody who has posted multiple times on the issue without new information. I suggest you all go read the very last word the mod wrote before he locked the thread in which you *were* invited to air your grievance with SGD and ask yourselves which way a mod intervention here is going to go. Can we handle this ourselves or do folks need that intervention?
 
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You know, with the BBG deal in play here it sounds like all of these things are moot. We all know by now that David has had difficulty consistently getting orders out to people. Some of us have had no problems and others are still without their pickups. From here on, though, the only person who will be hurt by David's delivery methods will be David.

People buying pickups from BBG get pups delivered quickly because they are already finished, and when they run out of a particular model they list them as "sold out" until they are replenished. If people see them listed on the BBG site they can buy them with confidence that they are already finished and will be shipped out soon.

We can keep battling back and forth about David's delivery methods or honesty or email track record, but it doesn't matter any more.

Now all that matters is whether they are good pickups, will they sell well on BBG, and when will they be listed there.
 
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mjac28 said:
Has anyone tried the J pickups? I'm looking for a nice vintage sound.
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I would guess that there are probably better options for a vintage sounding pickup, Rio Grande, Fralin, and Duncan come to mind. I would think SGD pickups would be a bit more modern sounding. I could be wrong of course, but my experience with Neo pickups (Reed James, MK1 replacements) is no where near a vintage sounding pickup.
 
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fourstringbliss said:
You know, with the BBG deal in play here it sounds like all of these things are moot. We all know by now that David has had difficulty consistently getting orders out to people. Some of us have had no problems and others are still without their pickups. From here on, though, the only person who will be hurt by David's delivery methods will be David.

People buying pickups from BBG get pups delivered quickly because they are already finished, and when they run out of a particular model they list them as "sold out" until they are replenished. If people see them listed on the BBG site they can buy them with confidence that they are already finished and will be shipped out soon.

We can keep battling back and forth about David's delivery methods or honesty or email track record, but it doesn't matter any more.

Now all that matters is whether they are good pickups, will they sell well on BBG, and when will they be listed there.
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That's all well in good for everyone other than the people that are still waiting for their order.
 
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