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Shipping Damage: Lost For Words

Unless the original packaging material was preserved as the package was opened, and is available to the shipping company for inspection, they will not normally accept a claim for damage in shipping.

And if the shipping carton and materials don't show any damage, I'm confident no claim for damage in shipping would be supported.

If the buyer didn't preserve the shipping material, I would expect that no claim would be honored.

And my experience has been that any claim must be filed by the person who shipped the package, not by the recipient. The shipping company has no contractual relationship with the buyer, only with the person who paid for the shipping.
I've had UPS inspect a damaged package as the buyer, once the inspection was OK'd by the shipper.
 
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I was sold ,in a trade, a Music Man Stingray 5 bass for my Lakland 5502 plus $100
I was assured it had the Alnico pickup as that was the only model I wanted.
It was ceramic and when confronted the shipper said sorry and never offered any refund or switch....even the $100 back.
Still irks me today
 
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A period a sustained abuse? My ad pictures were taken 2 days before shipment. Bass was bought brand new in September. Why would I take pictures of a new bass then two days later ship the bass with a huge ding that’s not in any photos and not expect the buyer to notice and not expect to ask for a refund? Then after all that make a post here about it? Yeah, seems plausible. What would I have to gain? Refunds are super easy with Reverb. I’ve asked for a refund before.

I’ve actually had something happen like that before. I sold a bass but dinged it between selling and shipment. I notified the buyer and told him I’m not selling anymore because I damaged it. It asked for pictures and decided he still wanted it. I then knocked of some money from it and still sold it to him.

I’ve had a Marco that I sold here that the battery compartment became damaged. Buyer wanted a refund. I refunded the money and paid for shipping back to me. I replaced the batter compartment and resold it.

I had a Mike Lull that I sold and listed it as 35” scale. When the buyer received it he realized it was 34” scale. I was told it was 35”. He showed me how to measure it and it was 34” scale. I refunded the bass and changed my listing to reflect the scale length.

I posted all that to show I’m an honest seller.

Right, exactly. Just so we're on the same page....

You do realize that I'm advocating for your position here, and have been all along, right? And that by my quoting Wraithwrider, I'm essentially asking him to verify what his post appears to be suggesting....which is, that you're the culprit, and not the buyer. You got that, right?
 
Are you suggesting that perhaps some minor flaw was worsened by shipping temperature and humidity and that God is at fault?

Say what now?

Not sure where you're coming from here, but I'm not suggesting anything. I'm merely pointing out to Gothic that in pic #3 of his post, upon closer inspection, the long ding can indeed be seen. He apparently didn't notice it because it's difficult to see vis-a-vis the camera angle. And with that, he was questioning how pic #2 and pic #3 could be of the same body. But they are both pics of same body. Follow?
 
I'll just take it as a lesson learned. From now on, I will take a video/photo right before shipment and verify as much as I can.

Maybe it's a sign for me to keep this bass. The new colors for the Ultras are too bland. I will get this repaired to the original color and maybe see about a hard finish. I'm not sure of the correct term for it. This satin is a ding magnet. I just pressed my finger nail in it and it left a dent.

Yikes. That's bad quality from the get-go. I own 4 Satin Sadowsky's - gig them, play the crap out of them, and not one of them has this kind of reaction. I've knocked one off the stand onto a marble floor and didn't pick up any damage like is shown in your pics. Or, for that matter have a "fingernail" do damage.

That said - does anyone think it's possible the soft finish picked up bumps and bruises due to bad handling in shipping? IF there was no immediate damage to the case, box, etc - would this damage have happened if the bass wasn't "snug" in the case?
 
Unless the original packaging material was preserved as the package was opened, and is available to the shipping company for inspection, they will not normally accept a claim for damage in shipping.

And if the shipping carton and materials don't show any damage, I'm confident no claim for damage in shipping would be supported.

If the buyer didn't preserve the shipping material, I would expect that no claim would be honored.

And my experience has been that any claim must be filed by the person who shipped the package, not by the recipient. The shipping company has no contractual relationship with the buyer, only with the person who paid for the shipping.

That's been my experience with UPS as well. Except the part about which party can file a damage claim. UPS informed me that either party could initiate a damage claim, sender or recipient. Obviously though, it's incumbent on the recipient to preserve the integrity of all packing materials. And they do mean "all". In situ preferably, because an inspector may go to the destination to inspect (as was done in one of my cases), or a driver may pick up the item, return it to a facility to be inspected (as was the case in another one of my cases). From there the case is at the mercy of the inspector(s) to pass judgement fairly.
 
That said - does anyone think it's possible the soft finish picked up bumps and bruises due to bad handling in shipping? IF there was no immediate damage to the case, box, etc - would this damage have happened if the bass wasn't "snug" in the case?

Not that puncture wound, which appears in the pics to have penetrated the wood quite a bit. If so, I'm struggling to imagine a scenario in which that could happen. Not buying into the loose debris (strap pin?) in the case theory, either.
 
Cliff notes, anyone?

Bass sold on Reverb, buyer claims shipping damage, no damage to packing or case but the bass has 3-4 big dings on it. Strings have been changed. Reverb shipping insurance was purchased. Both file claims with Reverb. Reverb refunds money to buyer and the bass is being returned to seller. Seller is getting quotes for a repair / repaint of bass. Buyer almost certainly damaged the instrument. Some speculate that he/she swapped bodies from a similar bass, but the screw patterns look the same so I think it was dropped especially since the strings were changed. Who would open a package, see a damaged instrument and think - hey, I'll try new strings?

(I think that's accurate)
 
Bass sold on Reverb, buyer claims shipping damage, no damage to packing or case but the bass has 3-4 big dings on it. Strings have been changed. Reverb shipping insurance was purchased. Both file claims with Reverb. Reverb refunds money to buyer and the bass is being returned to seller. Seller is getting quotes for a repair / repaint of bass. Buyer almost certainly damaged the instrument. Some speculate that he/she swapped bodies from a similar bass, but the screw patterns look the same so I think it was dropped especially since the strings were changed. Who would open a package, see a damaged instrument and think - hey, I'll try new strings?

(I think that's accurate)
Thanks!
 
Bass sold on Reverb, buyer claims shipping damage, no damage to packing or case but the bass has 3-4 big dings on it. Strings have been changed. Reverb shipping insurance was purchased. Both file claims with Reverb. Reverb refunds money to buyer and the bass is being returned to seller. Seller is getting quotes for a repair / repaint of bass. Buyer almost certainly damaged the instrument. Some speculate that he/she swapped bodies from a similar bass, but the screw patterns look the same so I think it was dropped especially since the strings were changed. Who would open a package, see a damaged instrument and think - hey, I'll try new strings?

(I think that's accurate)

Not sure the strings were changed.

The seller remarked that the bass was in tune when returned, but he had shipped it detuned. Lots of conjecture on whether they were restrung through body, but no proof or confirmation from OP.
 
I can’t believe how someone responded to bash me for keeping this alive when they themselves did the very same thing...

can you resist the temptation luke skywalker? Ha ha ha

too funny!!!
This reminds me of my job. I work for a Federal agency and at least once a yr someone sends out an email to the All distribution like and ppl respond to all to stop responding. We’re talking about 30,000 pole on this list. Sometimes this would go on for hrs until the IT shuts it down.
 
Not sure the strings were changed.

The seller remarked that the bass was in tune when returned, but he had shipped it detuned. Lots of conjecture on whether they were restrung through body, but no proof or confirmation from OP.

Ah, I thought he said they were changed. Anyways, the buyer almost 99% certain dropped the bass and then claimed shipping damage. Reverb seems to be doing more than most "insurance" plans would do.
 
Ah, I thought he said they were changed. Anyways, the buyer almost 99% certain dropped the bass and then claimed shipping damage. Reverb seems to be doing more than most "insurance" plans would do.

I want to know if the strings were all strung through body when the bass is returned. The seller sent it out with only the B-string strung through. The rest were at the bridge.
 
We should find out soon. It should be back this week.

It's back. I haven't seen a comment about a string change yet.

UPDATE:

I got the bass back. There is no damage to the packing material. There is nothing inside the case to cause the damage. I’m convinced the buyer opened the bass in a rush because we all love NBD and dinged it on something. The reason I believe this is because the bass came back in tune. I shipped it with all strings loosened. I also put all the tags back on. They were removed when I just got the bass back a few minutes ago. You have to remove them to play the bass.

Oh well. Nothing I can do now. I will be tame the bass to a local shop to get a repair estimate. I will then give that to reverb and see if they stand by their word.
 
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Been following this with nausea.
I've bought over 30 basses on Reverb and have dealt with the higher ups to get results. (contacts posted above)
What astounds me is a 17 page thread and why the OP is having this conversation on TB which has nothing to do with buying and selling on Reverb.

I am in talks with Reverb. This thread is for informational purposes. Sometimes ppl ask “How is it selling on Reverb?” Or “Should I purchase the Reverb insurance?”. This can help those ppl decide. I’m not expecting TB to solve my issue. I’m glad you had a great 30 sells on Reverb. I’m had about 20 great transactions on Reverb also. I’m not dogging Reverb. Just used them again 2 days ago.