Thanx for the well wishes everyone. In the spirit of keeping this thread on topic you can PM them to me. My fault, I shouldnt have posted so much in this thread on that subject. Just wanted to explain my absence.
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Should the OT mods be more aggressive?
- Thread starter john turner
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i was not taking a cut at brendan in any way shape or form. i never said the thread wasnt valid. i only pointed it out to show you that everyone does these things, its part of being on a message board.
judging someones musicianship by something that is not related to music IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM
is just ridiculous.
judging someones musicianship by something that is not related to music IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM
is just ridiculous.
DEFELDUS-I would love to continue the pissing match that is starting. But Its not what the thread is about.
It is obvious who and at one time or another went on a tagent of freebies, IM or pointless threads. Im not going to name them. That would be rude. Usually the most defensive are the most guilty. I will let that speak for itself.
It is obvious who and at one time or another went on a tagent of freebies, IM or pointless threads. Im not going to name them. That would be rude. Usually the most defensive are the most guilty. I will let that speak for itself.
Who's judging musicianship?? Im not. Im just saying that I find it strange that some people join a bass guitar site but then spend most of their time talking off topic.
well i cant speak for others, but i know i spend more time reading in the other forums than OT, but most of the time i dont have anything to say in them so i just dont reply. i do TONS of research on gear and such in the other forums, but i participate in OT the most. i dont know why thats such a big problem.
well, i didnt see it as an argument about to happen but ok. one of the thinks i like the most about TB is that we can have debates without them turning into immature name calling and such. i for one cant stand these types of arguments and im glad to see im not alone in this. i have no hard feelings for anyone here, and if i seemed like i was trying to be bitchy or anything then i apologize, thats not how it was meant.
and now to get back on topic:
i've mentioned this before, but dont know who all saw it. as a suggestion to the mods i think it would be a good idea to merge all the birthday threads into a big "happy birthday ______" mega thread and sticky it to the top. im not sure, but i think it would save a good bit of bandwith (seeing as there are a lot of these threads) and would cut down on the "clutter" people have to wade through when looking for the "new since last login" threads.
i dunno, just an idea
i've mentioned this before, but dont know who all saw it. as a suggestion to the mods i think it would be a good idea to merge all the birthday threads into a big "happy birthday ______" mega thread and sticky it to the top. im not sure, but i think it would save a good bit of bandwith (seeing as there are a lot of these threads) and would cut down on the "clutter" people have to wade through when looking for the "new since last login" threads.
i dunno, just an idea
If people would grow up a bit, then it wouldn't be an issue.
I find myself coming here much less lately.
I am guilty of BS posting in the Dream Theater Bassists forum. I don't deny that. I think that here, that kind of posting is totally innappropriate. I don't do it here.
I stick mostly to Basses, Amps, Recordings, and Misc. It's rare for me to visit OT.
I'll come out and say it- I think that DEFELDUS's signiture says it all. But, as Frank Zappa says "HEY! It's the twentieth century! Whatever you gotta do to have a good time, let's get on with it, so long as it doesn't cause a murder!" I don't read any of the OT threads posted by a few people here anymore, and I've found that the limited time I do spend here is much more enjoyable as a reslut.
I find myself coming here much less lately.
I am guilty of BS posting in the Dream Theater Bassists forum. I don't deny that. I think that here, that kind of posting is totally innappropriate. I don't do it here.
I stick mostly to Basses, Amps, Recordings, and Misc. It's rare for me to visit OT.
I'll come out and say it- I think that DEFELDUS's signiture says it all. But, as Frank Zappa says "HEY! It's the twentieth century! Whatever you gotta do to have a good time, let's get on with it, so long as it doesn't cause a murder!" I don't read any of the OT threads posted by a few people here anymore, and I've found that the limited time I do spend here is much more enjoyable as a reslut.
1. stop calling yourself an "off topic kid", it sounds juvenile, like a show on the disney channel. besides, that's not a club i would be proud of belonging to if i were you.
2. brendan has been a contributing member here for a long time, not just with his membership, but more importantly with his knowledge and experience. many of us have met each other and shared time together in the context of our roles/pursuits at _bass players_. there are quite a few of us who care where he's going and what he's up to, since quite a few of us have met him and hung out with him at various times, and now it seems like he is moving to another part of the country.
comparing his so-called "im-like" postings with some random postings from some random self-appointed l33t-k1dd13 is inappropriate. he's earned the respect of the community through his bass-related participation here, and therefore the community cares what he's up to.
p.s.a. time :
i'll sum it up in one simple comment. a few of the younger members here who are unhappy with the way they are being treated have contacted me privately and asked me what i felt they could do to avoid that kind of treatment in the future. it's simple - contribute bass playing experience, bass related questions, and generally music related conversations - even if all you do is ask questions, and stop with the juvenile OT crap. if a 15 year old member got on the site and all he/she did was ask music related questions and bass related questions and start music or bass related discussions, they'd be much more respected than the self-aggrandizing wiseasses who like to come to off topic and do their best beavis and butthead imitation.
it's going to be easier now, because i'm going to start "participating" in these juvenile finger-pulling sessions. i won't necessarily close them, unless they start violating the rules, but i feel that by participating i can hopefully illustrate to the participants why some folks might find their postings obnoxious. ultimately, the choice will still be theirs, whether they want to be respected by the community, or forever delegated to kiddie-table. i hope to only show them "the way".
once again i had absolutely no problem with him or the thread, and i never said it there was anything wrong with it.i also have no doubts of his respect and friendships he has here, and i think it is relevant for him to share that he is moving. i have no problem with any of that. im just pointing out that its just a natural thing for people on message boards to do this. i feel like if some get fussed at for it, then all should. either the rules should apply to everyone or they need to be changed. i have no problem with the rules and am not complaining about them at all, im simply trying to point out how silly the "whining" about it is.
JT -
I voted early, but not often.
One thing kind of grabs me here, so I'll lay it out and see if other people are struck it as well.
The votes are fairly even from the respondees. What really strikes me is that 7% of the people who viewed this thread voted. [69 of 946 so far.]Whether they were members that had no opinion, or guests who who wouldn't register is difficult to tell of course. When I open the board, however, I have noticed that members/guest ratio has run 3/1 or 4/1 fairly consistently the time slots I am here. As a result, I feel that most members do not really feel strongly enough about it to vote on it.
I am drawn to the conclusion that the difficulties are really confined to a fairly small group that are annoyed by OT, and its very existence; and a small equally vocal group, that spends time here, but lurks elsewhere in the forums.
As such, since the difficulties seem to only concern such a small group, I would advocate no changes, and when the enhancements Paul has indicated are on the way are in place, there really should not be any further issues that affect the general TB membership. Or those that rely on search algorithms.
One vote for tolerance and reason.
I voted early, but not often.
One thing kind of grabs me here, so I'll lay it out and see if other people are struck it as well.
The votes are fairly even from the respondees. What really strikes me is that 7% of the people who viewed this thread voted. [69 of 946 so far.]Whether they were members that had no opinion, or guests who who wouldn't register is difficult to tell of course. When I open the board, however, I have noticed that members/guest ratio has run 3/1 or 4/1 fairly consistently the time slots I am here. As a result, I feel that most members do not really feel strongly enough about it to vote on it.
I am drawn to the conclusion that the difficulties are really confined to a fairly small group that are annoyed by OT, and its very existence; and a small equally vocal group, that spends time here, but lurks elsewhere in the forums.
As such, since the difficulties seem to only concern such a small group, I would advocate no changes, and when the enhancements Paul has indicated are on the way are in place, there really should not be any further issues that affect the general TB membership. Or those that rely on search algorithms.
One vote for tolerance and reason.
remember, everytime someone views this thread the "thread views" number increments. 69 people could very well have viewed the thread repeatedly to get the thread views up to 946.
im leaving this thread before it turns into another stupid arguing match, but let me just reiterate what thor said:
you're not getting my point, are you? we're not talking about some new "rule" here, we're talking about the membership and how they perceive each other, and you. some people don't like folks who come into their community and start making themselves "all to home" without making any attempt whatsoever to try and "fit in" or at least contribute positively. i'm not saying that you are necessarily one of these carpetbaggers, and i'm also not saying i'm necessarily in this contingent of potential malcontents, but i definitely see where they are coming from. i've repeatedly gone to bat for our newer/younger members in the past - look at the "ban mike money" movement in the not so distant past. i was one of mike's biggest advocates. by the same token, this forum is the most serious and valuable bass discussion forum on the web, and i'm not going to let it fall to a bunch of attention-mongering, self-pitying and self-proclaimed "kids".
i'll say again what i said earlier - brendan has contributed here, bass related topicality, as well as by his time as a moderator in helping the forums run smoothly. some banter back and forth with members who he's been interacting with longer than you've even belonged to the site is definitely going to be accepted much quicker than someone who comes around in june and starts complaining about his treatment in august.
just some stats that might help you understand a few things - you've posted 426 times in the past month. 327 of those posts have been in off topic. that's 77%. that's just something to ponder.
I agree, but we should keep in mind that most young people come here to learn, and sometimes don't have enough experience to share. Maybe they don't ask questions because they use the search function!
I don't want to argue and I'm not trying to take their defense, but we've got to consider both sides of the coin.
Defeldus
Thanks for quoting that, but I don't know that I specifically intended it to bolster your argument.
However, I do believe in tolerance, and I have done what many others have done, NOT CLICKED on a lot of topics that don't interest me. Not to say they don't interest you.
But as I have pointed out before, these issues have come up for a number of reasons as some users feel that other people are abusing privileges here.
Thus we can have a mature discussion over why an
OT forum is necessary or not, and what form it should take.
I may not like what others say. I can defend their right to say it. People can talk about feces all day long. Don't, however, expect me to be happy about it, or respect anyone for it.
Along with tolerance, I advocate balance.
Thanks for quoting that, but I don't know that I specifically intended it to bolster your argument.
However, I do believe in tolerance, and I have done what many others have done, NOT CLICKED on a lot of topics that don't interest me. Not to say they don't interest you.
But as I have pointed out before, these issues have come up for a number of reasons as some users feel that other people are abusing privileges here.
Thus we can have a mature discussion over why an
OT forum is necessary or not, and what form it should take.
I may not like what others say. I can defend their right to say it. People can talk about feces all day long. Don't, however, expect me to be happy about it, or respect anyone for it.
Along with tolerance, I advocate balance.
well, then, just remember, you will be perceived the way your present yourself. word to the wise - if you act like a juvenile, you will be treated as such. goes for everyone here. if you're ok with that, then fine, but don't complain if there comes a time when nobody will take you seriously.
