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Small Jam - Assorted Egos: What I learned last night.

it even happens to killers. my buddy was hosting a happening jam night and a girl wanted to play drums but they put her with the hands down worst dudes in the jam. so she started having fun playing a super simple beat but doing a lot of fancy stick twirls and just acting really goofy while laying it down. well one of the hosts didnt like that and walked up halfway through a took her sticks. i could not believe it. it ruined the entire night for everyone but her. she brushed it off like a pro.
 
You dont get to play much at jams or open mics..its a chance to meet ppl.

The gear/amps are usually substandard afterthoughts so just help ppl get through it.
Many have little experience or confidence but the point isn't to try and prove how good you think you are.
 
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"Had an experience last night at a new jam for me, being thrown in with one of that type, a guitarist, barking out the changes (which I already knew) then get frustrated with me, and GRAB my bass neck and start fingering the pattern in the middle of the song!!! Unforgivable. I left the stage at the end of that song, as he said " you REALLY need to PREPARE next time!""

If someone did that to me I'd take the neck of HIS guitar and stick it someplace else.
 
Well there you go; that's an A-hole. I am so glad others stepped up to act like normal human beings and welcome you to the crowd. SUCH an ass.

This raises a question to me, coming from the classical world, where one's hand would be stricken from one's wrist if you touched another person's instrument. When I started playing pop/church gigs, I had to learn not to squirm when sound guys and BLs clamped sh*t onto my cello bridge or f-holes, or moved me around by grabbing my bass and expecting me to follow. I always did wonder if they only did it because of my gender, or if that was just how it was done.

No matter, I would be way pissed if someone started fingering notes for me. Please.
 
it even happens to killers. my buddy was hosting a happening jam night and a girl wanted to play drums but they put her with the hands down worst dudes in the jam. so she started having fun playing a super simple beat but doing a lot of fancy stick twirls and just acting really goofy while laying it down. well one of the hosts didnt like that and walked up halfway through a took her sticks. i could not believe it. it ruined the entire night for everyone but her. she brushed it off like a pro.
Well there you go; that's an A-hole. I am so glad others stepped up to act like normal human beings and welcome you to the crowd. SUCH an ass.

This raises a question to me, coming from the classical world, where one's hand would be stricken from one's wrist if you touched another person's instrument. When I started playing pop/church gigs, I had to learn not to squirm when sound guys and BLs clamped sh*t onto my cello bridge or f-holes, or moved me around by grabbing my bass and expecting me to follow. I always did wonder if they only did it because of my gender, or if that was just how it was done.

No matter, I would be way pissed if someone started fingering notes for me. Please.
Can’t say if it’s gender-related but you really have to wonder…
 
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Always try to make the other players look good even if they are an a-hole when there's an audience.

Their actions toward you reflect solely on them as your rection to them reflects on you.

You'll never have to play with him again if you don't want to. Just say "Sorry I'm not prepared enough for you."

...and they DO tend to come asking again eventually.
 
You touch a my bass,l breaka you face.

Preceded by "Hey whatsa madda you" :thumbsup:

Makes me think of how some people need to be warned ahead of time. Maybe this sign would help

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Seriously though, you handled it better than most would. Nothing worse than having a combination of pride and insecurity, (also taking too personal what many others besides you have probably experienced with this guy) cause one to react in a way to make a negative experience more memorable to themselves and everyone else that was there.
 
Incidents like this make me very grateful that the group I play with now is totally over themselves and something like this wouldn't even be on the radar.

In the past, I've never had something like this happen... then again, I am kind of a leviathan lol.
 
I went to a jam about 30 minutes from my house last night. It's primarily blues, but there is some mixed R&B and funk. As a really new player, there's a lot to learn musically, of course, BUT you really learn about other musicians when they're thrown together.

I've learned that the best quality of a good musician is generosity. Generous, not necessarily of "things," but of attitude. Seek the generous ones, who are quick with praise and support, who listen to others, and have an open musical mind. I've also learned that it's most often that the more accomplished (by skill or success,) are the most generous and open to connect. Often that's because the newer players are definitely consumed by trying to remember everything, and fear of being judged.

Beware the guys who are pretty good, but seem to think that their performance at a tiny jam is their magnum opus, or their ticket to fame after playing for decades. They will step over your body to get into the best light. lol.

Had an experience last night at a new jam for me, being thrown in with one of that type, a guitarist, barking out the changes (which I already knew) then get frustrated with me, and GRAB my bass neck and start fingering the pattern in the middle of the song!!! Unforgivable. I left the stage at the end of that song, as he said " you REALLY need to PREPARE next time!"

I was then welcomed to sit with the "cool kids" aka, the generous musicians who saw what happened and wanted to be sure I felt supported. They got me back up to play with them, a few songs I was totally familiar with, and was able to shine. The other people who shared the stage with me during that guy's tantrum all came up to me later to make sure everything was okay. It was a reminder that if you're so caught up in your own story and not supporting others, people notice. Doesn't matter how good you are, the other musicians and fans see you and it takes away from any talent you might have.

Glad you got support from the other players. I’ll bet none other players will be so “generous” the next time this guy show up.

To you your point about being “musically generous” , it’s something critical a bassist needs to adhere to. When you get down to it, a band should be about giving up things for the good of the whole. If my players can’t be free to bring out their best art, we all lose. Also, it helps to pass out bones now and again.
 
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Woa, that would have not ended well if that was my bass... The only thing close to this I've experienced was a guitar player (who wasnt playing but running the open mic) came on "stage" during our little 3 song set and just turn my amp down. You can ask, but dont just start turning knobs while im playing. Never going back to that one.

That is horrid. Such control freaks.
 
Had an experience last night at a new jam for me, being thrown in with one of that type, a guitarist, barking out the changes (which I already knew) then get frustrated with me, and GRAB my bass neck and start fingering the pattern in the middle of the song!!! Unforgivable. I left the stage at the end of that song, as he said " you REALLY need to PREPARE next time!"


Imagining guy like this

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Well there you go; that's an A-hole. I am so glad others stepped up to act like normal human beings and welcome you to the crowd. SUCH an ass.

This raises a question to me, coming from the classical world, where one's hand would be stricken from one's wrist if you touched another person's instrument. When I started playing pop/church gigs, I had to learn not to squirm when sound guys and BLs clamped sh*t onto my cello bridge or f-holes, or moved me around by grabbing my bass and expecting me to follow. I always did wonder if they only did it because of my gender, or if that was just how it was done.

No matter, I would be way pissed if someone started fingering notes for me. Please.

I do wonder if that plays a part, as well. He sure would not have touched any of the other guy's stuff.
 
Thanks for all of the support! These jams here tend to have a big number of players who are there on their night off, to network, and play with people they don't get to play with often. I FORGOT to add the best part! After I walked off stage so someone else could play, I heard him say "she doesn't like me." I just kept walking. The guy had a wireless for his guitar, at a blues jam. And as I sat with the local pro players, it was bugging him from the stage. So he started walking off stage to stand next to the most popular of the musicians I was with.. and he was trying to get their attention, even sitting in a chair near us, while playing, trying to get their attention. It was the best. lol