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Smoking bans in US

We all are affected by othe people smoking. Both my parents smoked and I smoked as well. Once I stopped I was suprised at how much my clothes stank after being in smoked filled environments. There is also the increased cost of healthcare to treat people with emphysema, cancer and all the other health issues related to smoking.
People should be able to smoke if they want to as long as it doesn't foul the air of others. People should also be allowed to play Russian roule if they want as long as they don't hit others with stray bullets.
I also think educational anti smoking campaigns are good. They have been very effective here in the U.S. But some of the bans on outdoor smoking are excessive.
 
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I am absolutely in favor of all smoking bans:
1) In the '80's I went to London numerous times, and most recently 2012, and was quite pleased as I have watched first hand the transition of the Tube system from a filthy mess to the model of modern underground transportation it is now after the banning of smoking on the Tube and other modernization policies.
2) I have blood clots. When diagnosed some years ago, it effectively ended my weekend playing fun, because cigarette smoke and cardiovascular issues do not mix. I went from playing the bars at least twice a month to playing tuba in a community band twice a year. Then my home city passed a smoking ban, amidst much debate, and for the last few years I have been able to play out again as I did as a young man, but without the smoke hangover the next morning. The bar and restaurant owners now actually support it, as their overall business has actually increased with more patrons who never would have patronized an establishment before due to the smoke. I actually have, including NYE, nine, yes, nine gigs this month, the majority of which I could not have played if smoking were still allowed in the establishments and convention halls of years past, in addition to the regular church services I participate in. Not bad for this weekend warrior!
Yes, I am absolutely in favor of all smoking bans.
 
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The problem is it's getting pushed on people in deceptive ways. People crave sugar because they're addicted to it. They're addicted to it because it's added to 90% of the food Americans eat. The politics behind all that are really depressing, and something I can't get into typing this out on my cell while at work. And I'm supposed to at least look like I'm really doing something :).

Being fat and/or loosing your feet to diabetes wouldn't be as much your fault as you might believe. We're all swimming upstream in a powerful river when it comes to nutrition and health.

I agree with you.

I've been doing some reading lately about how bad [our daily intake] of Fructose is for the human body. I do believe it's the reason why so many people are in bad health. The body isn't designed to digest the amount of Fructose that we take in. Funny, people won't feed their dog chocolate but they'll drink 2-3 sodas per day. Not much difference.

About 6 months ago I stopped drinking sodas and eating candy. I also cut back on snacks. I'm 6' tall - went from 215 to 190lbs. That's with no exercise. That's proof right there how bad sugar is.

I'm NOT for the government regulating what I can eat HOWEVER I am for the FDA pushing to reduce the amount of Fructose and sugar in our foods.
 
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What about people who eat a lot of red meat? What about people who don't exercise enough?

Smoking is different because it bothers people. I have no problem with it being banned in bars or outside of buildings. But if I want sugar and beef and bacon and I wanna gain weight till my feet fall off from diabetes right before my heart gives out and I drop dead, it's my choice.

Agreed. However, don't go to the doctor and expect treatment when you're too sick and fat to walk. Remember, you do live in a society that subsidizes your health care. ;)
 
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I've been told the ban on smoking in pubs has closed down a lot of pubs...

Actually, here in the US at least, bars and nightclubs started seeing a decline long before smoking bans went into effect. The crackdown on drunk driving started in the early 80's--coincidentally, about the time folks began spending less time in bars. Also factor in the rise in entertainment options in the 80's. Why go to a bar to watch sports events when they were now available on cable at home?

Bar owners also don't like to admit their own ineptness at management. Even a poorly attended bar should be able to make enough money to stay afloat, but when bar owners and mergers drink away their profits, or divert their money into other substances, or they fail to use basic business skills (advertisement, balancing their books, etc), they fold up--and blame everything else but their own mismanagement.
 
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I agree with you.

I've been doing some reading lately about how bad [our daily intake] of Fructose is for the human body. I do believe it's the reason why so many people are in bad health. The body isn't designed to digest the amount of Fructose that we take in. Funny, people won't feed their dog chocolate but they'll drink 2-3 sodas per day. Not much difference.

About 6 months ago I stopped drinking sodas and eating candy. I also cut back on snacks. I'm 6' tall - went from 215 to 190lbs. That's with no exercise. That's proof right there how bad sugar is.

I'm NOT for the government regulating what I can eat HOWEVER I am for the FDA pushing to reduce the amount of Fructose and sugar in our foods.

I also enjoy good health, and I'm in excellent physical shape. To maintain that however I was working out 3-4 times a week, and running over 20 miles a week. Like most people doing that it started taking a toll on my knees and the rest of my body.

Like you, about 6 months ago I started changing my diet (again), knocking out all the added sugar that was in my diet, even the safe, natural ones found in "healthier" foods like yogurt. The result of that is that I'm now eating the same amounts of food (sometimes more), exercising half the amount I used to (I don't have time while in school and working), and I wound up dropping 5 lbs. I'm more cut up now than when I was killing myself in the gym and running.

It's not hard to maintain a healthy weight if we're eating real food, but it is hard to eat real food when so much simple processed garbage is so easily accessible. Add to that the marketing behind those packaged food like products (they're good for you, you know!!!), and the addictions people unknowingly have to sugar and it becomes much more than just a matter of will power.
 
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I also enjoy good health, and I'm in excellent physical shape. To maintain that however I was working out 3-4 times a week, and running over 20 miles a week. Like most people doing that it started taking a toll on my knees and the rest of my body.

Like you, about 6 months ago I started changing my diet (again), knocking out all the added sugar that was in my diet, even the safe, natural ones found in "healthier" foods like yogurt. The result of that is that I'm now eating the same amounts of food (sometimes more), exercising half the amount I used to (I don't have time while in school and working), and I wound up dropping 5 lbs. I'm more cut up now than when I was killing myself in the gym and running.

It's not hard to maintain a healthy weight if we're eating real food, but it is hard to eat real food when so much simple processed garbage is so easily accessible. Add to that the marketing behind those packaged food like products (they're good for you, you know!!!), and the addictions people unknowingly have to sugar and it becomes much more than just a matter of will power.

I for one, would like to know more about this "eating real food," thing. Do you have any resources you might share? I would like to only eat sugar when I plan on eating sugar, and not have it snuck into my diet when I am eating other things.
 
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I for one, would like to know more about this "eating real food," thing. Do you have any resources you might share? I would like to only eat sugar when I plan on eating sugar, and not have it snuck into my diet when I am eating other things.
There's a book called Food Rules. You can read it in one sitting. It pretty much has all you need to know about eating healthfully, only without all the science and politics to make it a complicated, 700 page book.
 
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In San Francisco you can step outside to smoke a joint or cigarette. Sometimes people would rather it just be cannabis. I quit smoking (tobacco) in September and only now realize how crazy it is to allow smoking indoors. I'm less worried about second hand cancer than just smelling it to be honest. But some people don't like the smell of weed, so a hypocrites life I lead (not really, never smoked in front of anyone who wasn't partaking or okayed it).