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Smoking pot while being in a band

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NOW WAIT A MINUTE!!!! DONT BE BLAMING THE ACID!!! I would blame the researchers that were most likely funded by an antidrug agenda. These are probably the same schmucks that fathered all the urban legends of kids walking into airplane propellers and such on acid.

and for the record.. plenty of great music was made on acid.. I know. I was in the band.


and to Baalroo.. yeah.. people listen to Nickelback.. but definately NOT while smoking pot.
 
NOW WAIT A MINUTE!!!! DONT BE BLAMING THE ACID!!! I would blame the researchers that were most likely funded by an antidrug agenda. These are probably the same schmucks that fathered all the urban legends of kids walking into airplane propellers and such on acid.

and for the record.. plenty of great music was made on acid.. I know. I was in the band.


and to Baalroo.. yeah.. people listen to Nickelback.. but definately NOT while smoking pot.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but your slippery slope fallacy is just silly. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I guess in your world all mind altering chemicals are on equal footing? So do you suggest we outlaw alcohol, caffeine, and chocolate as well?

also, my signature is a quote, I thought that was pretty clear. If you've got issue with it feel free to respond to T.O.Bass about it.
 
and MY habit isn't physically addictive. I can and have many times just quite tokin' up for weeks, months, or even years over the course of my life with only the most minor of psychological cravings and from what I could tell absolutely ZERO physical withdrawal symptoms.

Same here for the most part. I have quit for extended periods, once for several years. The only 'withdrawal sysmptoms I noticed was a night or two of very vivid dreams.

It strikes me that in most of these pro/con mj debates, users never mention the sexual benefits. I find it to be a mild aphrodisiac at times, not to mention the ability to focus more intently on pushing those all important buttons!
 
I think you got my point precisely backwards.
my post was in response to the "researchers and brain damage" comment before yours.

I TOTALLY agree with you.

the only point directed to you was the Nickelback comment referring to your Sig... meaning that smoking pot tends to lead to good taste in music.

I would argue for the legalization of EVERYTHING and for the seemingly radical notion that we treat adults as adults and let them choose how to live their lives (as they will anyway) and only ever rebuke the bad behavior irregardless of the cause.
 
I think you got my point precisely backwards.
my post was in response to the "researchers and brain damage" comment before yours.

I TOTALLY agree with you.

the only point directed to you was the Nickelback comment referring to your Sig... meaning that smoking pot tends to lead to good taste in music.

I would argue for the legalization of EVERYTHING and for the seemingly radical notion that we treat adults as adults and let them choose how to live their lives (as they will anyway) and only ever rebuke the bad behavior irregardless of the cause.

ah yeah, sorry. sometimes it can be tough to differentiate sarcasm from just plain old hyperbole.
 
That was a great read,very interesting and entertaining to hear every ones thoughts.
To the OP(as many have stated already) I don`t think weed is your friends issue. It sounds more like he is dealing with depression,maybe quite a bit. Not enjoying playing,staying inside,getting more intoxicated than normal are all signs of depression.
As to smoking pot,I have my opinions and so does every one else out there. In a nut shell I think weed is a pretty gentle substance and has many legit uses,be it medical or recreational(or sparking creativity). It is a great waste of governmental time and resources locking up people for being involved with this drug. But please feel free to disagree.


All you drug/alcohol users out there. Maybe if you didn't waste your money watching it go up in smoke or flushed down the toilet you could buy some decent gear. Just sayin.

What an insulting,judgmental,materialistic thing to say to a bunch of people you don`t know.
I`ve been altering my consciousness in one way or another since I was 17 years old. During all that time I still understood the concept of saving money to buy something "decent". I even implemented that concept a few times!
Could I have saved up my money faster if I didn`t smoke or drink? Of course I could have.
But life isn`t just about buying expensive things.
Just sayin.
 
I play in four piece band as bass player/singer/writer. 2 guitarists + drummer, all good friends. We've been rehearsing two times a week for the past 1.5 year and the creative process is flowing. But our 2nd guitar player is calling off to jam session more and more often. Yesterday he texted us he was only coming for 1 once a week anymore. I can understand life can sometimes get to you and you need your time to yourself, but he's always been like this, you just cannot count on him. Thing is he smokes pot all day, has a fairly simple day job, no kids and no rent or downpayment on his house. He owns a cabin, quite big and located in the most beautiful peace of forest. His parents bought it for him. At rehearsals we always have to spoon feed him the notes and rythms because he's so stoned he's just not able to be where the rest of us are, and every time again we have explain and re-explain even the simplest stuff. We play a mix of styles and go from soft to loud and vice versa. When we go loud he just keeps up his regular volume, playing with one finger on the neck and one (no pick) on the strings. He'll continue to play the simplest riff untill we switch into a different rythm or melody, which is when he'll just quit playing and just stand around looking stoned and not comprehending what we are doing.

I'm just tired of having to repeat even stuff we created a year ago again and again to him. He leaves his guitar at the practice room and doens't even 'think' about the songs or even how to expand his own riffs. This used to be one of the most creative people I knew, my best friend, he drew like a madman, wrote and wrote and wrote, could talk just about anything and hold his own against pretty much anyone. But now he's just a shadow of what he once was, always stoned, always with a beer in hand. He's even very touchy. I just know telling him to his face that he's gotta make a change, he'll just be all personal about it and leave. The guy is 37....

Yesterday the three of us talked it over and we felt entirely the same + we jammed like mad!

Any advice or simillar stories?

Without going through pages of people arguing about smoke, I think your friend is no longer in love with the band or the music--that's obvious. I never force or coerce anything or anyone--I think you should let him go as he pleases but always be a friend, because it sounds like there's another matter that's the true problem. His lack of enthusiasm is only the fruit of that.
 
you cannot draw any conclusions from poorly designed studies with test groups of 10 subjects. Either for or against the effects of weed or anything else that the so-called behavioral "sciences" turns its beady eyes upon. Psychology is notoriously egregious in exclaiming outrageous claims for human behavior from their "experiments":scowl:.
 
Everybody handles mind altering substances differently, but I don't think the pot is his problem. He sounds like he's just going through the motions and not feeling the music. I know plenty of people who can play like crazy when stoned, or at least loud and enthusiastic. I can see him playing more mellow, but what you described is pure lackluster boredom. maybe hatred or disdain. Sounds like either his heart's not in it or he's unable to focus. Using drugs (yes, pot is a drug) can be a sign of depression or other problems.

Take him aside one day (preferably not during or around practice) and ask him if something's going on. sounds like a deeper story.


As an interesting side not, smoking pot has been shown to mess with dopamine levels and increase your chance of schizophrenia by some 800%. Wouldn't be much of a stretch for it to help the symptoms of depression.
 
After Sgt Pepper?!?
August 28, 1964, Bob Dylan met the Beatles in their hotel suite during their first visit to New York and turned them on to pot. Have you listened to Rubber Soul lately?

George Martin had made some comments. Not that the Beatles hadn't used it, but that until that time he wouldn't allow it in the studio or during recording, so they would run out to "the bathroom like little school boys" I think was his quote between sessions and smoke. He was adamant about using it and being under the influence. He didn't believe in it nor that it helped. After Sgt. Pepper, however, he was losing more control and other factors started to creep in, like girlfriends and some yogi dude....
 
George Martin had made some comments. Not that the Beatles hadn't used it, but that until that time he wouldn't allow it in the studio or during recording, so they would run out to "the bathroom like little school boys" I think was his quote between sessions and smoke. He was adamant about using it and being under the influence. He didn't believe in it nor that it helped. After Sgt. Pepper, however, he was losing more control and other factors started to creep in, like girlfriends and some yogi dude....

lol, you realize that just because they didn't technically smoke in the room it doesn't mean they weren't still high when they came back from the bathroom, right?
 
Actually, it's been proven to help with pain, nausea, stress, appetite, insomnia, and other negative symptoms. I'd link you some citations but you likely wouldn't read them.

I was going to go on about how the hypocrisy in TRich's post is so thick you could grind it and pack it (bad pot humor?) but seems a few people covered that already.

Marijuana and alcohol are pretty different. One is the REAL gateway drug, has negative short and long term effects, is addictive (so much to the point that being addicted to it is recognized as a medical condition and a disease), and is legal. None of this is true for the other one, and it is illegal. Go figure :) It probably has nothing to do with the fact that the production and distribution of alcohol is much easier to control, tax, and profit from for the government.

If you don't like it, that's fine. You're also well within your rights to demand people do not use it in your presence. Completely understandable. But don't sit there and act like it is some life ending, immature practice when you actually drink alcohol.

First, alcohol is legal. That automatically makes it a much more "mature" thing. And you won't find me out there drinking to get any "feeling". I have yet to hear one, just one, pot smoking defender say they smoke pot for the taste, or just for the hell of it. Truth is, you smoke pot for the effect it has on you. Period.

I kow many people who enjoy a glass of wine with dinner. Not because they want to feel mellow, or better, but because the taste of a good red with a nice NY strip just are good tastes. I don't know too many people who get much if any effect from one glass of wine, especially with a meal.

I have a scotch, and suck on it for a long time. I really do appreciate the smoky, mossy taste of the single malts I have. A bottle of single malt lasts me often a year or more.

Like all things in moderation, alcohol has no side effects either. In moderation, as we have all read the studies, a glass of wine or its equivalent in a cocktail can actually be healthy for you. I don't spend my time reading all the studies, because, its legal and i don't have to try to justify my usage of it.

I personally have never met someone who can really play at their best after smoking a joint. They may play good, or acceptable, but not at their best. Its physically and mentally impossible. Once the pot has taken effect it does in fact, shown medically, impair your functioning. Maybe not to a stupor or spasm, but you are slower. Alcohol can do the same. I don't drink before gigs, and I'm not a beer guy, so you rarely find me slamming them back.

As for alcohol being the gateway drug, unless I missed it I don't think there are too many studies or reports, if any, on the frequency of people going from drinking beer regularly to putting a needle in their arm or smoking crack because of it. Just about every story I read or have seen reported always talks about the movement to pot then harder stuff.

I didn't mean Matty to take a personal shot, but I let the devil get the best of me.

Just so you all know, I, like many here, was alive and kickin' in the '70's and '80s. There were ample opportunities to sample many things. So, unlike that Clinton guy I did inhale. I did a lot of very stupid things, but fortunately always knew that putting a needle in your arm was just wrong, and that anytime someone told me how much better a high was or how much more potent a thing was I should walk away.

I don't care, like I said, who uses or doesn't. I don't allow it in my bands, and there are more then enough quality musicians out there to fill the slots.

I am sure, when pot is finally legalized, that there will be a huge docket of lawsuits about how no one put a warning label on the roach and because of that they went, crazy, blind, got cancer, whatever. Funny thing is, based on the decades of knowledgeable pot smokers, I would assume that there will never be any lawsuits because it seems to be harmless. However, I know different...
 
As for alcohol being the gateway drug, unless I missed it I don't think there are too many studies or reports, if any, on the frequency of people going from drinking beer regularly to putting a needle in their arm or smoking crack because of it. Just about every story I read or have seen reported always talks about the movement to pot then harder stuff.

best of the thread so far. you sir, are hilarious.
 
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