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So Burger King is racist now too?

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#165
SassyS said:
I would be much happier if people assumed I couldn't dance, as opposed to people assuming I'm a fried chicken-eating, angry black woman on welfare with 12 baby-daddies. The second assumption can make people question my ability to do my job. The second assumption has also led to me being falsely accused of stealing, multiple times. And what is usually said after I prove myself worthy? "Wow, you are a nice/smart person. Not like the rest of your people." I highly doubt that people assuming I can't dance would cause that kind of damage to my reputation.
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Ok - so you ARE making the argument that the differentiation experienced by black women IS to a larger degree than when it done to others.
 
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onosson said:
Are you suggesting that all the negative assumptions made about one subset of humanity are equivalent to the negative assumptions made about some other subset?
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In toto, worldwide - yes.




onosson said:
I think there are some pretty strong differences there, not to even mention that some subgroups have many more negative than positive assumptions attributed to them, and vice versa.
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Stereotyping is negative - whether the stereotype is positive or negative.
 
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aborgman said:
In toto, worldwide - yes.
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I don't even know how you'd determine that - but even if that's true, how about at a national, or regional level, especially where large disparities in population size exist?

aborgman said:
Stereotyping is negative - whether the stereotype is positive or negative.
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Well, we were using the term "assumptions", now you've switched to "stereotypes" - are they the same thing? And while I agree that the act of stereotyping may be negative, the effect of stereotyping a particular individual with a positive attribute isn't necessarily going to be negative for that person, is it?
 
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I just can't believe anyone of even average intelligence would want to publicly pick that scab yet again. I can't believe we are still rehashing those tired old stereotypes.

I asked my 17-year-old son if he was aware of any food stereotypes associated with Blacks. He drew a blank. I said, "Watermelon?" He just stared at me like "What do you mean?" I said "Fried chicken?" He said, "Stop, you're making me hungry."

He didn't have a clue what I was getting at.

Why do people insist on stirring that turd? Drop the stereotypes, give the new generations a chance to get over them, and they'll probably disappear.

Then Mary J, and the rest of us, won't have to feel ashamed or insulted over a black woman selling chicken, for crying out loud.

Friggin' ridiculous.

And FWIW, I'd bet my substantial bass collection that my white ass eats more ribs, chicken, and watermelon per year than just about anyone of any color.
 
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onosson said:
I don't even know how you'd determine that - but even if that's true, how about at a national, or regional level, especially where large disparities in population size exist?
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It can certainly skew in certain contexts.

Problem is - there are just as many contexts where it skews one way as it does another.



onosson said:
Well, we were using the term "assumptions", now you've switched to "stereotypes" - are they the same thing?
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A stereotype is a popular belief about specific types of individuals.

Assumption is to suppose to be the case, without proof.

I'd say all stereotypes are assumptions, but not all assumptions are stereotypes. If the assumption is based on a belief tied to group identity - it's a stereotype.

onosson said:
And while I agree that the act of stereotyping may be negative, the effect of stereotyping a particular individual with a positive attribute isn't necessarily going to be negative for that person, is it?
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In my opinion, yes.
 
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aborgman said:
It can certainly skew in certain contexts.

Problem is - there are just as many contexts where it skews one way as it does another.
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Certainly, but if you're looking at one context (which is where most people function) then you can get disparities playing out in individual's lives.

aborgman said:
A stereotype is a popular belief about specific types of individuals.

Assumption is to suppose to be the case, without proof.

I'd say all stereotypes are assumptions, but not all assumptions are stereotypes. If the assumption is based on a belief tied to group identity - it's a stereotype.
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That sounds right.

aborgman said:
In my opinion, yes.
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So ... if someone gets something like a job, for example, because they are perceived as belonging to a group which carries the stereotype of being intelligent, in what way is the effect of that stereotype negative for that person at that time?
 
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onosson said:
So ... if someone gets something like a job, for example, because they are perceived as belonging to a group which carries the stereotype of being intelligent, in what way is the effect of that stereotype negative for that person at that time?
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Just food for thought. Having some Asian family members this sort of thing is a real issue for some of them. It's not 100% dead on topic to this thread but in regards to "how bad can a positive stereotype be?" sorta thing, I think it's interesting.
 

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