No one held them at gunpoint and said "go see one of the loudest bands on the planet". If it's too much to handle, then leave.
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So you wanna make the audience deaf too?
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No one held them at gunpoint and said "go see one of the loudest bands on the planet". If it's too much to handle, then leave.
too loud is when you think your earplugs are filling with blood...
last week saw one of my favorite LA performers don from the germs alice cooper cover band, only problem was they were playing a smallish club and you couldn't hear the vocals at all, i wanted to hear him sing, two weeks ago i saw his other band freaky outer space people at a wedding and it was amazing i could hear him and nora singing, if you have a good singer then they should be heard or what is the point
last week saw one of my favorite LA performers don from the germs alice cooper cover band, only problem was they were playing a smallish club and you couldn't hear the vocals at all, i wanted to hear him sing, two weeks ago i saw his other band freaky outer space people at a wedding and it was amazing i could hear him and nora singing, if you have a good singer then they should be heard or what is the point
What are you, 4??? I am 20, and yes, I love loud rock/metal shows. It is great to turn up and rock out. That said, I have been known to say that bands are too loud. When every note hurts, its really pushing my boundaries of comfort. And the fools who argue that 125 db is NEEDED???!?!! Idiots, all of you. I am just gonna come out and say it. Basically, you can do 2 things here:
1: Listen to music at a reasonable level, use earplugs, etc., and actually listen to music your whole life or,
2:Go deaf and no longer be able to enjoy the music you once loved.
I am all for feeling the bass, or drums, or whatever. But making yourself and others deaf is just moronic to such a high degree. Only fans WITH HEARING will buy your albums and come to your shows. At the very least, let them keep their hearing so they can buy MY albums if ya don't mind.
I like how all of you are acting like earplugs do nothing.
They've worked fine for me every time I've used them. And by that I mean there was no ringing, pain, pressure or anything in my ears after taking them out. Seems like the very thing they're designed to do...
Interesting. Several young gentlemen afraid of their ears, and uh, what happens after 40.
Guys. I'm 49 and still can hear well enough, liking loud music throughout my life.
Not that your hearing should not be protected, but I think you just exaggerate a little bit.
Guys. I'm 49 and still can hear well enough, liking loud music throughout my life.
Not that your hearing should not be protected, but I think you just exaggerate a little bit.
Yep but the volume levels today are astronomical compared with the seventies and eighties, thanks to solid state transformers, neo cabs and so on. Plus people glued to iPod buds since childhood. This will be interesting for the next generation. Some might do money on hearing related products and services.
I like how all of you are acting like earplugs do nothing.
And you are ignoring the fact that earplugs only attenuate to a certain point and that people have gotten damage even with them in. Hence my quotes of the distraught MBV concert goer.
125 minus 30 is still 95 db, which is over normal healthy levels. Tell me how a guy with plugs in still gets tinnitus after that show?
tell me again how im actually like the plugs do nothing
I know theres tons of guys your age on this forum who would agree with me and say im not exaggerating. Plugs or no plugs
Lets be honest, going deaf would have its benefits. I'd be able to tune out people that nag at me easier.
Plus, you'd never EVER have to hear Britney Spears attempting to sing, or listen to Nickelback.
So, yeah, being deaf would indeed have certain tangible benefits.
AND you could get someone to take take notes for you in all your classes fully covered by insurance!
Improperly inserted plugs for one. Or crappy plugs that don't cut the volume back enough but it's just quotes from some strangers on a blog so we'll never know. I still don't see why a band should feel responsible when someone decides to stay in the venue despite feeling pain in their ears. Like they should turn down and stop putting on the show they've always put on because a few people were stupid enough to sit through a 20 minute long noise part despite signs of their ears being messed up bad from it.
I've never understood the "louder is better" stance some people take. I've played with bands that during rehearsal it was excruciatingly loud and I don't see the point. I can totally understand that it "feels" better, but at the same time It seems to be counter-productive. The vocals are fighting to cut through and never sound right and you really can't even make out what the instruments are playing.
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I can ga-runn-tee that in Kenny G's rider for that show there is a clause that the opening acts only get limited channels on the board, limited overall db (volume) and it will be written in some way that they cannot have a better mix.
That is typical and standard for pretty much EVERY headlining act with regards to their opening acts.
There has to be a significiant difference in over all mix with the better going to the headlining act.
Sound strange?? It's not at all.
OK, I'll lay it out for you guys as simple as this...a few of you here know me personally, I've played some major tours as a sideman. So, I'm not poking away in some small club for the last 15 years (even though I LOVE playing anywhere) so I'll bring it from a professional musician side (sorry, not trying to be cocky...)
If ANYONE here thinks that earplugs alone are enough, and the "louder the better"......you're stupid, an idiot and really have zero clue what you're talking about.
I now wear these:
$4200 later I can hear OK.
Just OK.
So, you think those little foam ear plugs do enough?
Think that it's art and has to be loud?
You're an idiot and a fool.
Flame me all you want, because when you do, you're just proving to me how much more of an idiot you are.
The argument that "no one held a gun to their head" is childish.
It takes only a few minutes for irreversable damage to occur.
So, MBV takes the stage and comes out at 130db.
You turn to walk out because it's too loud.
By the time you get to the back of the venue, your hearring is damaged.
I have a 50-60db dip from about 220hz all the way to 4khz.
NOT fun.
Read this:
http://www.abelard.org/hear/hear.php
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearing_impairment
I thought the same things as many are saying with regards to volume.
I liked it loud.
I was a fool. And so are you if you think it's cool, art or anything else when it's loud enough to cause damage.
And there are people who smoked for 50 years and didn't get lung cancer. Doesn't make it safe.
Also, that 30dB is usually only at high frequencies! Low frequencies are often attenuated MUCH less.
And there are people who smoked for 50 years and didn't get lung cancer. Doesn't make it safe.
Life is generally unsafe. Everybody eventually dies.
See also my sig.
I think everything is so simple: You like to have it loud, you like to risk your health and life doing extreme sports, you like cigarettes or alcohol - do it and do no harm to others.
How can anybody possibly FORCE anybody else to attend a HM concert?
Well it's hard to argue with loud music fans, I personaly would never stick around at a show where the volume is uncomfortably loud, I don't care whos playing. Some people like it tho, and far be it from me to tell them what to do. On the same foot I don't go around telling gangsters if they keep up they're lifestyle they will end up dead or in jail, they already know this, and I don't try to convince crackheads that they're drug of choice is bad for them. screw em' they're on thier own as far as I'm concerned. I don't agree with homosexuality either but I don't try to take a stand against it, let em' marry each other IDK. I have better things to do than try and convince other people thier life choices arn't the best, I'd be wasting my time. But on the other hand when a soundguy is screwing up my bands sound, I sure as hell am gonna give him my 2 cents. and thats my 2 cents. as always this statement is IMO.
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You can't.
There is a reasonable expectation that it will be loud.
But there is also a reasonable expectation that it will NOT be dangerously/harmfully loud as well.
This:
http://www.noisecreep.com/2010/07/07/whitesnake-settle-hearing-loss-lawsuit/
Yes. I've always wondered why all those warnings in McDonald's about coffee or tea being HOT.
Probably somebody expected that coffee would be served cold, or that HM bands play ambient music.
$40,000 would not be enough if I couldn't hear my bass or acoustic guitar anymore, or my sweeties voice saying my name.:scowl:
