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Sound guy attempted to adjust my amp

#141
happened once.
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#143
MDBass said:
Nope.

Bleed is a volume/placement issue, not an EQ issue.

If the EQ changes you make to an amp are that perceptible in the vocal microphones, either the stage sound levels are deafening or you have the cabs literally aimed directly into the microphones; doing a proper FOH mix in this scenario is flatly impossible.

Either turn down, turn the amps around, or both; cutting bass/boosting mids will NOT help any bleed issues, if anything they'll actually be made worse since you should already be running an HPF above 100Hz on the vocal mics anyway.
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Double nope!!!

So what happens when you've done all that, including HPFs, drum shield, no bass rig (bass thru monitors), and you still have problems? EQ.

6 years of weekly church services in a movie cinema. Ended up running bass thru in-ears. Been there, done that literally hundreds of times. Seriously.
 
#144
Groove Doctor said:
Double nope!!!

So what happens when you've done all that, including HPFs, drum shield, no bass rig (bass thru monitors), and you still have problems?

6 years of weekly church services in a movie cinema. Ended up running bass thru in-ears. Been there, done that literally hundreds of times. Seriously.
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So bleed IS a volume issue, not an EQ issue.

Glad we agree ;)
 
#146
Groove Doctor said:
Triple nope.

85dB average, 95dB max.

Seriously.
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You originally suggested changing the amp's EQ (or sending a pre verses post EQ signal) would fix bleed issues, which it won't for the reasons I mentioned.

Now you're saying that the only way to fix the bleed issues in your particular scenario was to have literally zero sound onstage, aside from the vocalists and anything leaking over the drum shield, which makes bleed inherently an issue of volume and not equalization.

We run an entirely ampless stage at my church gig for exactly the same reason, but that doesn't have anything to do with why the hack adjusting the OP's amp EQ before it had even been turned on was doing what he was doing ;)
 
#150
Hoochie Coochie Man said:
I would love to bring a drum shield to some gigs, but it would probably not be well received.

I know a drummer who builds a wall of drums, and makes the audience pay for it.

He should go into politics.
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One night, back in like 1971-2 - we were "rehearsing" at our keyboard players house, well, it was getting on to about 9:15 PM and we ran through the last number "Soul Sacrifice" - Santana. Sounded great. As we were putting things away, our Guitarist (a life long friend RIP) starting teasing our drummer - that the drummer in another local band could play that solo better....It didn't sit so well with our drummer so he takes off on a solo - AGAIN....he went on until the Police showed up at the Keyboard players house and told us to knock it off - at 10:30.

His drum kit would have made Neal Peart proud........ :)
 
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@g4string Never had one try that, ever. They get a DI from a Line 6 HD500X they can do whatever they want with.

FOH gigs with a good sound person and system have nothing(no huge bass rig wrecking "their" mix) coming off the stage at them(use a 12" aluminum-speakered Bugera Hartke clone for a close monitor for mids/highs with lows from FOH and drummer's monitor).

FOH gig with many unknowns?
I may show up a small PA(18" front-loaded sub, 4x8+tweeter cab on top, biamped Bugera Nuke feeding them)....result of playing a few shows where noob/wooden-eared soundfolks completely cut bass out of the PA. If FOH gives no bass, we'll supply it for them!
 
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Johnny Crab said:
@g4string....FOH gigs with a good sound person and system have nothing(no huge bass rig wrecking "their" mix) coming off the stage at them(use a 12" aluminum-speakered Bugera Hartke clone for a close monitor for mids/highs with lows from FOH and drummer's monitor)....
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I do the same, respectively. I use a Baer ML112 with an Aguilar TH500. I'm not putting out much sound that I'm competing with the FOH. Likewise, I use IEM's for my monitoring. Honestly, I'd go ampless if weren't for a few others in the and who don't have IEM rigs.
 
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I've had sound people make suggestions or ask for changes in my EQ, but never touched my amp rig. Once when playing guitar a guy in the audience started adjusting my distortion pedal. I jumped up in the air and landed close to his fingers as a warning. He didn't try it again. Later he told me that it was too trebley or something. I just told him that it wasn't his job to do that and reminded him that I might not miss his hands if he tried it again.
 

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