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Big Benner said:
Awesome!!! Got it working within seconds.

Thank you Quatschmacher and Adamixoye. Thank you Talkbass!
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And remember this: you can hook TRS patch cables between output 2 of the first SA pedal and input 2 of the next SA pedal in your chain and the editor signal gets passed to to next pedals too. The signal is sent on the ring so you can still use the patch cables to pass normal audio between pedals. A friend of mine sold his one series pedals as he’d totally not realised you could do that and thought editing was a pain! I didn’t realise he didn’t know, but it came up in a recent conversation and I could hear him slapping his forehead as I pointed this out to him.
 
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Big Benner said:
Could someone point me to a specific sound please?

I'm looking for a OC2 with no direct signal,.... but being able to play in the same octave (instead of an octave down).

In other words, I'm looking for that Sub type of sound but with the ability to play all over the neck including the low B string.

Essentially it's the only reason I wanted to try out the C4.

Benner
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Use monophonic pitch 1 without changing the octave setting. Set the “filtering” knob in the voice to near noon. I’d never even thought about not pitching it down before!
 
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Quatschmacher said:
Actually, I might be talking nonsense. As it happens the C4 is still incomplete

I’ve done a couple of MF101 inspired sounds, MuTron Microtron stuff and a very good rendition of a Greg P. patch “We Can Work It Out”.

What controller you use depends very much on what you want to do. If all you want is ability to scroll patches, send expression and a couple of CC messages then the DA is pretty good. Otherwise Morningstar does a lot of deep stuff whilst being easy to use. There are some other things brewing though that are going to be pretty amazing.
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im actually using the Keith mcmillen soft step 2

best midi foot control I’ve ever seen
 
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jkazam said:
I'm surprised SA hasn't released a multifunction pedal. Their effects are all top notch, in no small part because of the community. Having them all + EQ and Comp +/- an expression pedal in a single box would be sick.
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The subject's come up here at least once.
It's a wonderful prospect, but (short version) it doesn't look economically viable. However, between the pass-through functionality and the Neuro Hub, you can get something pretty close, with the added mix-and-match joy of combining exactly the things you want (to pay for).
 
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Quatschmacher said:
Use monophonic pitch 1 without changing the octave setting. Set the “filtering” knob in the voice to near noon. I’d never even thought about not pitching it down before!
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I just tried this and it sounds really good but not quite the same as the -1 octave. For any of my analog Octave tones I also add a +7 with a mild distortion and then turn it down to the point I barely hear it, and it just beefs up the overall sound so much.
 
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jasonmitsch said:
I just tried this and it sounds really good but not quite the same as the -1 octave. For any of my analog Octave tones I also add a +7 with a mild distortion and then turn it down to the point I barely hear it, and it just beefs up the overall sound so much.
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Interesting. Looking forward to more on this topic. The end result might just be a nice new preset for the community.
 
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Jason Hollar said:
Yes - I’ve found there’s a few “5 sting” presets sprinkled in that allow the synthy / filtery goodness without the octave down glitchiness. Yes dear sorcerers - please give us more 5 string patches!
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It should be easy to modify the "Octave" in the Voice section for any patches so that it just stays in the original pitch. Be the sorcerer you want to see in the world!
 
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jasonmitsch said:
I thought I read somewhere that there is almost no coding space remaining on the C4? So if it is incomplete then how will it ever be finished?

I love the tones of the C4 but I'm currently having some connection issues with the Hub. The hub just stops responding about every 10 minutes and I need to cycle power to get it to respond again. Support told me it is a bug that is being fixed in a future Hub update and they're letting me use the beta firmware. I'll report back with my findings.
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The beta firmware for the hub worked. My gear works as desired and doesn't cut out. I can even leave it on, go to lunch, come back and have it work. That wasn't the case before.
 
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jasonmitsch said:
The beta firmware for the hub worked. My gear works as desired and doesn't cut out. I can even leave it on, go to lunch, come back and have it work. That wasn't the case before.
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This is really interesting to me. I used to have this problem (Hub freezing) and the short and maybe unfair simplification is that SA kind of threw up their hands and blamed other pedals in my MIDI chain. When I rearranged my MIDI chain that did mostly seem to fix the problem, which indicated that the Hub was not able to properly handle something coming from elsewhere in the chain. But it doesn't answer the question of whether something else was sending some messages that didn't conform to the MIDI standard or if the Hub had some bugs that needed to be worked out even if all the MIDI it was receiving was fine.

More to the point, though, you contacted SA and they let you use this beta firmware? It's not available otherwise?
 
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Adamixoye said:
This is really interesting to me. I used to have this problem (Hub freezing) and the short and maybe unfair simplification is that SA kind of threw up their hands and blamed other pedals in my MIDI chain. When I rearranged my MIDI chain that did mostly seem to fix the problem, which indicated that the Hub was not able to properly handle something coming from elsewhere in the chain. But it doesn't answer the question of whether something else was sending some messages that didn't conform to the MIDI standard or if the Hub had some bugs that needed to be worked out even if all the MIDI it was receiving was fine.

More to the point, though, you contacted SA and they let you use this beta firmware? It's not available otherwise?
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The Hub does struggle with bigger streams of messages. Between it and the FI I’m in a bind. The FI seems to handle and pass larger data streams but does not pass CC6 on any channel so if I have it first, I lose some functionality downstream (unless I choose to not use CC6 for anything). If I put the Hub first then messages pass on all CCs but I run the risk of locking it up if I try to send it too many data.
 
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Adamixoye said:
This is really interesting to me. I used to have this problem (Hub freezing) and the short and maybe unfair simplification is that SA kind of threw up their hands and blamed other pedals in my MIDI chain. When I rearranged my MIDI chain that did mostly seem to fix the problem, which indicated that the Hub was not able to properly handle something coming from elsewhere in the chain. But it doesn't answer the question of whether something else was sending some messages that didn't conform to the MIDI standard or if the Hub had some bugs that needed to be worked out even if all the MIDI it was receiving was fine.

More to the point, though, you contacted SA and they let you use this beta firmware? It's not available otherwise?
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It has taken Jesse many years to fully grasp some of the hidden nuances of multi-pedal MIDI systems. It is the sort of thing that one does not get from reading the specs and/or building up a few units. With thousands of Hubs in the field, we now know much more than we did. Having a micro with a large buffer that is dedicated to monitoring, analyzing, and parsing the MIDI data would be ideal. The Hub hardware was not created this way. Jesse assumed that there would be consistency in the way that each manufacturer constructed the data stream. As it turns out, there is all kinds of inconsistencies.....some that stay inside the MIDI spec and some that do not.

Recently he invested some time to improve performance using only firmware updates. It seems this has helped significantly in cases where its needed. Rather than doing an official release (and potentially breaking things that are working) he has sent it to the few people who contact us and need help. You are welcome to get access to this. We will put it out widely when we are more confident.

That should explain things.
 
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rsmith601 said:
It has taken Jesse many years to fully grasp some of the hidden nuances of multi-pedal MIDI systems. It is the sort of thing that one does not get from reading the specs and/or building up a few units. With thousands of Hubs in the field, we now know much more than we did. Having a micro with a large buffer that is dedicated to monitoring, analyzing, and parsing the MIDI data would be ideal. The Hub hardware was not created this way. Jesse assumed that there would be consistency in the way that each manufacturer constructed the data stream. As it turns out, there is all kinds of inconsistencies.....some that stay inside the MIDI spec and some that do not.

Recently he invested some time to improve performance using only firmware updates. It seems this has helped significantly in cases where its needed. Rather than doing an official release (and potentially breaking things that are working) he has sent it to the few people who contact us and need help. You are welcome to get access to this. We will put it out widely when we are more confident.

That should explain things.
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Well whatever happened I'm glad you got it figured out. I may be contacting the company to give the firmware a spin.
 
#2,140
I've had my C4 for a weeks and im really enjoying it. But I do have a few questions.

1) I'm currently running my pedal in my effects loop and directly in front of my delay. Is there anything I can do globally to make sure that I'm not giving the pedal too hot of an input signal and keeping the output volume in check across a few different presets?

2) I recently watched Zach Risers hour long tutorial for programming the C4. Are there any other resources similar to his or explaining working with the pedal for a beginner?

Thank you in advance. Any advice is appreciated.
 

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