BurningSkies
CRAZY BALDHEAD
- Feb 20, 2005
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- Endorsing artist: Dingwall Guitars
I've had my C4 for a few months now. I'd been following it's development last year with keenness. I held off buying a Xerograph specifically for this pedal. Unfortunately it's launch was right in the middle of a lot of personal change for me so it's been hard to find time to integrate it into my rig...let alone program it. So I sold a house...moved into rented...moved location and started a new job...ooo and I got married too. Currently buying a house that's also taking some time up.
So...Over the weekend I got a rare spare afternoon and evening to sit with it and play. I've found that there's a lot about filters that I thought I knew, but it's quite clear that I don't understand and there's a huge curve going on for me. The midi side and programming things like patch changing using my Boss ES-5 and external Midi controlled expression pedals seems quite straight forwards. But the actual sound crafting is proving difficult for me. Or certainly more of a challenge than I expected it to be. I'm struggling with understanding how all the various bits of architecture flow together and in what order. I think my ignorance is driven by not really having such a controllable filter before. My last filter was an MXR BEF, which only has the one mode. On hind sight...I wished I'd tried a SA Manta or I.E Xerograph before I waded into this pedal at full speed. So I appeased my frustrations by delving through the community patches and finding 50 that I like. I'm savvy enough to have now tweaked most of them with additional personal settings. Things like input and output levels to suit my main bass, Midi Expression as an external Modulation (that's taken a while to work out as the best way to add a midi Wah). Things like mapping input vols to the control knobs so they are easier to use in a live setting are kind of easy and straight forwards to work out. But I think I'm a long way from thinking about a sound in my head and knowing how to achieve that sound with the interface. All of the various poles and low passes are a bit confusing for me at the moment and I'm still playing with interfaces' basics.
Has anyone written a rough guide to this pedal yet? I know there's the manual (which I've read many times already).
Have a Xerograph Deluxe, Joshwah, 3Leaf Proton and a few others... There can be a good amount of learning curve to get what you want out of them too. I don't doubt that much of what they have to offer can be done with the C4; at least to the point of 'no one else but me will notice the differences'.
TBH, I had a hard enough time getting a 'straight envelope filter tone' out of the Xerograph that I used it for swept stunt-envelope for over a year before I found a way to do it. Once I did find it I decided that I'd rather have a second filter on my board so I didn't have to twist knobs to do different things. Now I do those plus a few with the C4.
It helps to know what you're trying to design for if you're going that route...For instance, most of the filters I was using were 4-pole so that was my starting point. I also knew what I fed them with, the XD with a fairly aggressive fuzz, the Joshwah is fed by a more conservative OD, a third one I originally used a Fulltone Full-drive.
This block diagram is fairly accurate:
But I'd start out by thinking:
INPUT->VOICE(s) ->ENVELOPE-> DRIVE ->FILTER->OUTPUT
For any straight up envelope filter design. Pawin' through the filter styles and types may take you a bit, but for a basic easy filter I'd pick
VOICE 1 (only) -> PAN all the way left (sends all the signal to one processor) ->use Drive 1 (if wanted) ->Filter 1 -> Envelope 1 (if wanted) .
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